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Schwannomatosis?
« on: August 17, 2007, 08:19:37 pm »
Hi;
 
   I don't know much about the illness itself except that it is a variant of NF-2. Many of the tumors appear to be peripheral but some are cranial and spinal.
   Three years ago my Sister presented with chronic headache and head MRI revealed several white, gadolinium enhanced non AN spots about .5 cm in size. Multiple Sclerosis was ruled out in 2004. There is still no definitive Dx in the 2007 MRI study.
   A very recent MRI study reveals a similar picture currently.
   As I first presented with NF-2 symptoms at 19, I've felt my NF-2 was inherited and not a new mutation. As Father was virtually deaf ( I asked family for a head MRI before cremation but I guess that was untoward ) but not MRI'd and now Sister with positive MRI findings, I'm wondering if this isn't the missing link to the puzzle I've been seeking to resolve.
   I've known of the recent MRI findings for a couple months but have been awaiting her recent Neurological consultation. I guess one can't biopsy so easily w/o surgery and she is pretty much asymptomatic. Her HA frequency has decreased with the elimination of Motrin. It was felt she was having rebound HA between doses.
   Thanks for reading if you have. I'm unsure if the group has other NF-2ers with relatives who also have except one person.
   I've never run across a Schwannomatosis pt. in my post readings through the years. Even on the NF-2 Crew.
   I hope your weekends are nice!

   Russ
 
   

tony

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2007, 12:55:16 am »
There was a young lady stateside - Rubbecca Duffec ?  a teacher
now early 30s, has her own blog site
She is NF2 and was with crew - but given her condition
she was a bit TOO positive for them
Similar situation - but much more advanced
If there is a possiblity that other family members
may be involved - then perhaps some gene testing
might be suggested ?
My own view here is that it is most important to deal
with specialist clinics - who know what to look for
I met a doc with 2 yrs in such a clinic - I was patient no 11 ???
The experiance is almost non-existant outside these places
Best Regards
Tony

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Re: Schwannomatosis?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2007, 02:18:08 pm »
What is shwannomatosis? How is it different from NF2 somatic mosaic? 

                               Eve
Right side AN (6x3x3 cm) removed in 1988 by Drs. Benjamin & Cohen at NYU (16 hrs); nerves involved III - XII.
Regrowth at the brainstem 2.5 cm removed by Dr.Shahinian in 4 hrs at SBI (hopefully, this time forever); nerves involved IV - X with VIII missing. No facial or swallowing issues.

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2007, 03:37:34 pm »
What is schwannomatosis?
Schwannomatosis is a newly recognized neurofibromatosis that is genetically and clinically distinct from NF1 and NF2. Like NF2 it occurs rarely. Inherited forms of the disorder account for only 15 percent of all cases. Researchers still don’t fully understand what causes the tumors and the intense pain that are characteristics of the disorder.

What are the signs and symptoms of schwannomatosis?
The distinguishing feature of schwannomatosis is the development of multiple schwannomas everywhere in the body except on the vestibular nerve. The dominant symptom is excruciatingly intense pain, which develops when a schwannoma enlarges, compresses nerves, or presses on adjacent tissue. Some people experience additional neurological symptoms, such as numbness, tingling, or weakness in the fingers and toes. Patients with schwannomatosis never have neurofibromas.

About one-third of those with schwannomatosis have tumors limited to a single part of the body, such as an arm, a leg, or a segment of the spine. Some people develop many schwannomas; others develop only a few.

What is the prognosis for someone with schwannomatosis?
Anyone with schwannomatosis experiences some degree of pain, but the intensity varies. A small number of people have such mild pain that they are never diagnosed with the disorder. Most people have significant pain, which can be managed with medications or surgery. In some extreme cases, pain will be so severe and disabling it will keep people from working or leaving the house.

How is schwannomatosis treated?
There is no currently accepted medical treatment or drug for schwannomatosis, but surgical management is often effective. When tumors are completely removed pain usually subsides, although it may recur if new tumors form. When surgery isn’t possible, ongoing monitoring and management of pain in a multidisciplinary pain clinic is advisable.

Are there prenatal tests for the neurofibromatoses?
Clinical genetic testing can confirm the presence of a mutation in the NF1 gene with an accuracy of 95 percent. Some families and doctors may choose to use a genetic test to confirm an uncertain diagnosis when there is no family history of the disorder and when waiting for additional symptoms to appear would put an unnecessary emotional burden on the family. Prenatal testing for the NF1 mutation is also possible using amniocentesis or chorionic villus sampling procedures. Genetic testing for the NF2 mutation is sometimes available but is accurate in only 65 percent of those tested. Genetic counselors can provide information about these procedures and help families cope with the results.

Where can I get more information?
For more information on neurological disorders or research programs funded by the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, contact the Institute's Brain Resources and Information Network (BRAIN) at:

BRAIN
P.O. Box 5801
Bethesda, MD 20824
(800) 352-9424

Best to all
Raydean
Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2007, 12:47:43 am »
Firstly, I was sorry to hear of the situation your
Kith and Kin are faced with
I hope it goes well for them
Incredibly - despite the gloom
a light just came ON (see what you think)
OK general view is that NF2 is a 50% pass on rate down the generations
My thoughts are : % is (statistically)too high - if it really was always that
certain - then most of the world would now have it
Point is - Docs only search for a genetic link
WHEN they have established a problem that has genetic implications
- ie they dont mass survey the entire states population
on the basis that one in 40,000 might have a problem...
So what if there were two or three types of slow growing NF2
- currently not recognised - sometimes they mutate into the more
conventional forms - sometimes they dont
Now you have 5-10,000 extra cases - that never show symptoms
and are never diagnosed
Some of these lead to normal NF2 - are are probably then
diagnosed as founders
My point is the stats would be dramatically wrong
- because a large part of the sample base was being ignored
Once you have this viewpoint - suddenly it all makes some sense
Sadley I dont think its going to help me too much
Cest La vie...
Best Regards
Tony

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Re: Schwannomatosis?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 08:25:11 pm »
Hello all;

   The headaches I was having are far less since stopping Motrin.
   Not sure about the text book definition put forth, but since Russ has NF-2 and first symptoms at 19, and that Drs are unwilling/unable to give the white spots a definitive diagnosis, WE felt a Schwannomatosis possiblity. Our Father was near deaf bilaterally for the last 10 years of life or so.
   Brain white lesions don't fit all the criteria listed here in the text book definition put forth, but there are other web sites which do list cranial tumors also, just not 8th nerve tumors.
   MS was ruled out by Drs as there are no accompanying sx for that, nor, no morbidity.
   It is seen Schwannomatosis is a Cromosome 22 anomally also. I don't recall the gene marker at present.
   I an a BSN Director of a county Communicable Diseases office.
   Thank you all for your input into this rare condition, if indeed it does exist in me.

   Anna

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 09:39:49 am »
Anna,

So sorry about your white spots on the MRI and what you have to go through. I just want to let you know that any kind of Ibuprofen causes me headaches as well, so you are not alone. Why do you think you have schwannomatosis rather than NF2? I am not sure that I follow it.

Raydean, thank you for the article. This is what I read about schwannomatosis but it precludes anybody with AN having it. Is anybody aware of any article on schwannomatosis and cranial schwannomas?

                        Eve
Right side AN (6x3x3 cm) removed in 1988 by Drs. Benjamin & Cohen at NYU (16 hrs); nerves involved III - XII.
Regrowth at the brainstem 2.5 cm removed by Dr.Shahinian in 4 hrs at SBI (hopefully, this time forever); nerves involved IV - X with VIII missing. No facial or swallowing issues.

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 12:21:32 pm »
Regarding white spots on the brain.  These can be cause by many things.  Usually the first thought is MS, but  it can be caused by aging, migraines, Epilepsy, Sickle Cell (I think, if I'm remembering right, kathleen/Gennysmom feel free to jump in here since you helped me research) B 12 Deficiency, glutin sensitivity/ Celiac Disease to name a few.  A lot of the times the source remains of unknown origin.
It's something that I watch closely.  In my oldest daughter it did mean her having MS.  In my youngest daughter the spots remain of unknown origin and while the possibility of MS remains on the table, it's been pushed to the back and other possibilities are being considered.  While I try to keep up on NF2 issues I wasn't aware that white spots meets the criteria for schwannaonatosis.
Would it be possible to share the source of your info?

The spots were first noticed 4 years ago on her MRI and  again was noted on her last MRI within the past year. 

Best to all
Raydean

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2007, 12:21:55 pm »
Hi Eve;

   You ask: "Why do you think you have schwannomatosis rather than NF2? I am not sure that I follow it."

   Because Ann doesn't have convential ANs on the 8th cranial nerve segments ( vestibular and auditory )

   Since 2004 MRI, these things have really not changed in any way but are said to be an abnormal growth looking quite a bit like excessive white matter typical of Multiple Sclerosis pts.

   I hope your day and evening are well!

   Russ

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2007, 12:35:25 pm »
Russ,

I did not know that Ann had cranial rather than vestibular nerve schwannoma. Does that mean that anybody with AN DOES NOT have schwannomatosis? Best wishes,

          Eve

Right side AN (6x3x3 cm) removed in 1988 by Drs. Benjamin & Cohen at NYU (16 hrs); nerves involved III - XII.
Regrowth at the brainstem 2.5 cm removed by Dr.Shahinian in 4 hrs at SBI (hopefully, this time forever); nerves involved IV - X with VIII missing. No facial or swallowing issues.

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2007, 12:37:46 pm »
Neureliemoma: http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic285.htm  scroll to Physical subheading. 8% are deep cranial. Many are peripheral. Pain is not mentioned of the deep cranial tumors.
   They are Antonelli B tumors as any schwann cell tumor and is an autosomal dominate disorder as NF-2, Chr. 22, gene band 12.2

   Russ

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2007, 12:43:08 pm »
"Does that mean that anybody with AN DOES NOT have schwannomatosis?"

   Probably so. Anyhow, Schwannomatosis is quite rare. Even more rare than NF-2. Even Drs. don't have this diagnosed yet.   -Russ



Russ,

I did not know that Ann had cranial rather than vestibular nerve schwannoma. Does that mean that anybody with AN DOES NOT have schwannomatosis? Best wishes,

          Eve



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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2007, 08:01:15 pm »
My niece, who is 24, has Schwannomatosis.  She has had several benign tumors removed from hips and spine so far.  I have AN on my right side and had a 4 cm meningioma remove in January 2007.  We were both check for NF2 and found negative.  But i find it interesting that we both have/had tumors.  My concern I will get more or a reoccurance.  Schwannomatosis is when you will always get benign tumors i believe.

Cindy

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2007, 01:32:54 am »
Note to crystallady :I saw your note - and you may really have nothing to worry about (I do hope all is well)
however a simple once-a-year-check-up for the next 5yrs  or so
would seem to be a wise course
best regards
tony