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JudyS

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HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« on: March 21, 2006, 12:04:31 am »
Hello, I am new here and just found your forum out of desperation.  I will give you some history first.  I have a long story, so I would appreciate anyone taking the time to read it all and offer any advice at all.
 
My 80 year old Mom (who happens to live with my husband and me here in southcentral York County, PA) had her AN removed in 1981, 25 years ago!, (University of Maryland in Baltimore, Dr Michael Salcman) with facial nerve totally severed, right-sided facial paralysis. At that time, my mom was not counseled nor advised at all about how to deal with the devastating effects she experienced post-surgery.  We all felt just so grateful to have her alive, as the dr. said her tumor had grown so much during the 3 weeks between diagnosis and surgery, and that it was so very dangerously close to her brain stem.  Within about a year, she had a 2 separate surgeries to try to both regenerate the nerve and bring up the drooping on the affected sid of her face and mouth.  One of those surgeries was done at New York Eye and Ear, the other by a plastic surgeon at U. of MD.  Unfortunately, the surgeries were unsuccessful.

Mom had subsequent surgeries on her lower lid -- it was raised up with the insertion of cartilage taken from her ear.  Also later she had a surgery to partially close the eyelids at the inside and outside corners to reduce exposure. These were done by Dr. John Schietroma of York, PA.
 
Now finally, my main reason for writing:  The most persistent problem is her SEVERE dry eye, with a great deal of pain in the eye most days.  She uses Puralube (generic Lacrilube) most often, especially at night, along with daytime alternate use of the Puralube with some artificial tears.  She is also trying Restatis, so far with no positive result after about 2 months.

She has been treated most recently by a corneal specialist in Hershey, PA, formerly on staff at Penn State Hershey Medical Center, Dr. George Rosenwasser.  Her treatment by Dr. R came about by referral after she developed a severe corneal ulceration from a staph infection in the eye.  (This happened within a few days out of the hospital after having had major surgery for a benign colon tumor last July.)  Dr. R.'s main concern was to heal the ulcer, which finally did heal after several weeks of excruciating pain, pure hell, and specialized antibiotic treatment.  Rosenwasser also felt that the continued severe dry eye that Mom deals with was due to exposure and could possibly be remedied by a gold eyelid weight so that she could more fully close her eye. 

Rosenwasser sent us over to a Dr. Hudak at Hershey Medical, who examined her and was ready to offer her surgery, but admitted that even the smallest gold weight would likely be too heavy, causing possible closure of the eye, and he did not even seem convinced that her pain and dryness is totally due to an exposure problem in the first place.  Her eye does not fully close, but she does have a partial blink, better upon opening than closing her lids.  He said that the corneal area does not seem as though it would be exposed at niight.  Actually, Mom's best times are sometimes in the AM, and worst times in the evening.  She had tried to tent her eye with saran wrap when it was painful, but that does not help at all.  So, she has opted not to have that surgery.  We return for checkups to Dr. Rosenwasser, but his advice so far is to just keep on lubricating the eye, and do it as frequently as possible.  She has more bad days than good, and she tries so hard to just keep to her regular routine.  (
Mom still drives and is an active volunteer at 2 nursing homes.)

Does anyone out there have any suggestions, advice, referrals, or ANYTHING that might help make my mom's life easier and reduce her eye pain???   We are just so hoping to find a treatment or doctor who would really be able to help her somehow!  We have never had her to Wilmer Eye at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, but that hospital would be within about 1.5 hours of here.  She just said tonight that she would even consider removal of her eye to get a prosthetic eye, but I don't even know if that is an option for someone with facial paralysis and no natural tear production at all. 

I would truly appreciate hearing from any of you.  Thank you for taking the time to read my "book".

~ Judy


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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2006, 12:30:48 am »
Hi Judy,

We welcome you and your Mom to our club.

You will find terrific support here and hopefully there will be some help for your Mom.

Personally, I don't have your Mom's symptoms but you can do specific word searches such as dry eye or red eye. I do know that there are a number of posts on this site for eye issues with and without facial paralysis. You will get some direct responses but do the searches as well. Some treatments work for some people and not for others - its trial and error.

user - Joef has posted a fair bit on eye issues.

You and your Mom are in good hands here.


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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2006, 07:07:51 am »
Judy: It sounds as though your Mom is doing all the right things to help her eye. Questions:  Is she on any other medications that may be causing this eye to be so dry? Do you have a humidifier on your furance? I find that my eye is very dry when I am at work, the environment is very hot and dry.
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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2006, 09:39:04 am »
Hi !! .. "Mary" is another user , that's a Loving person with an 80 year old mother with AN and eye problems ..

   Since her surgery was so long ago , I would assume there is little hope that the facial muscles will get better, and eye removal while seems rather drastic, but I would talk to the Dr.'s because your right at 80 years old , she just wants to feel "normal" ....
    I now for myself when I have a bad "eye" day .. Lacrilube works the best! and keep in mine since we don't have the right tears .. we cant flush foreign objects out of our eyes correctly ... I find a lot when I have bad days,  I find a little hair in my eye .. and once I remove it ... I feels like a brick has been removed !! all the pain and redness go away!!
I'm careful in dry heat (car heaters) and  dusty areas bother me a lot ..   If its gets really bad, I take a shower! and Lacri-lube up right afterwards ....that always seems to work!!




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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2006, 11:06:09 am »
Hi Judy - Welcome to the forum

I also suffer from dry eye, but not to the extent your mom does. I was also thinking the same thing as Kathleen regarding any other medications your mom might be on. Some medications for high blood pressure can cause dry eye as well as many others. Might want to check with your doctor.

I also use lacri lube, but I also have a clear plastic eye patch that I use when my dry eye is extreme. It has foam around the inside of the patch so as not to allow any air to get inside, it is very comfortable and allows for full visibilty.  It actually gets a little steamy inside the patch from the build up of moisture.

Take care and keep us posted

matti



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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2006, 01:42:45 pm »
Judy,
In your post you said your mom's eye does not close properly and they do not plan on putting  weight in her eye.  Before i had the platinum weight put in, I had to put lacrilube and drops in ever night and tape my eye shut.   While taping your eye shut is a pain in the butt, it really does help. Then during the day i would be sure to put drops in every hour or more if I felt my eye was getting dry.

I no longer tape my eye shut because of the weight, my eye will close, however,  I do not blink all the way shut, and put drops in through out the day.   Sometimes when I have been outside alot or in a dry interior environment. I put a 1/4 inch strip of lacrilube on the outside edge of my lower lid, add some drops and get some much needed relief from this.   

I also have vision problems due to the surgery and have started wearing glasses, which also helps protect my eye from the wind and weather.  My eye drs. recommended Systane lubricant eye drops. You can find them at Target, Walmart, Walgreens, they are kind of pricey, but, I swear by them, and if they make my eye feel good, then it's worth the cost. Ii have tried other brands, but when used on a constant basis, my eye gets even more irritated.

I hope your mom finds relief soon.

Denise

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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2006, 04:54:44 pm »
Hi

  I wonder if anyone has mentioned the 'spring' used for eye lid closure?

  Beyond that, is the punctum plugged just in case there is a tear, esp,. when chewing.?

  Maybe see a good Opthamologist who actually knows the issues AN can cause and follow up with that Dr?

  Please be careful here as a scratched cornea can mean infection and resultant blindness.

  My feeling is to enucliate a good eye is ridiculous and much focus on that type thinking requires another type Dr or therapist.

  Best wishes to you!

  Russ

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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2006, 07:16:47 am »
Judy: It sounds as though your Mom is doing all the right things to help her eye. Questions:  Is she on any other medications that may be causing this eye to be so dry? Do you have a humidifier on your furance? I find that my eye is very dry when I am at work, the environment is very hot and dry.
Kathleen

Hello Kathleen,
We have tried to use a room humidifier where she spends most of her time.  We have hot water baseboard heat, so can't add one to our furnace. For a little while this winter, the humidification did seem to help Mom's eye, but I think she was just having a better week or two, as she continues to have some horrible days and especially evenings.  The medications she takes are Lipitor for cholesterol control, Actonel for osteoporosis, and a very mild dose of blood pressure med - Toprol-XL 25 mg - for a heart arrhythmia that first presented while in the hospital in July.  Below, Matti mentioned bp meds as a possible problem.  I can check this out, but she was having lots of problems with the eye pain and dryness well before starting on that medication. 
I have to get to work now, but I will keep thinking on this and try to write more later.  Thank you for responding!    ~ Judy

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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2006, 07:48:43 am »
The BP meds could be exsaperating the condition.  I know the lisinipril Iwas on which is a bp med (diruetic type) was exsaperating my speech problem as it causes dryness.  I hope your mom gets some relief!


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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2006, 05:43:40 pm »
I sympathize with you. Dry eyes can be a real nuisance. I had one painful dry eye unrelated to my AN. It was chronic and really bothered me at work. I would use drops but never got relief. I went to an eye Dr, who after performing a test, said that I produced enough tears on my own and just keep using drops and ointment. I was really puzzled. I put up with this for years.

Finally, I went to another Dr. who said my drain (punctum) was too big and the tears drained out before they provided lubrication for the eye.The tears didn't pool enough.  He cauterized the punctum (local anesthetic) which scarred the drain. There are several drains, so tears can drain, but at a slower rate.  I felt relief by the next day. I didn't need drops after that. It was a dramatic improvement. Now days, they have punctum plugs that can be removed if your eye waters too much.

Maybe a combination of punctum plugs, lubrication, and a patch would get you some relief. If the plugs work, maybe they would consider cauterizing the puctums since the plugs do fall out.

Best wishes
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Re: HELP! 80yo mom NO tears, severe eye pain, 25 years postop
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2006, 05:10:19 pm »
Judy,
I hate to even reply because your mothers situation is far worse than mine was or currently is and I am sure you have tried everything.  But have they ever tried putting puntal plugs in her tear ducts?  I am currently 6 years post op and I had plugs in both ducts.  Unfortunately they kept falling out so I had to have the bottom duct cauterized shut.  My eye does water a lot now, but even when it didn't the plugs held the celluvisc drops in longer and aleviated the dryness and pain for quite a while.

Best of luck to your mother.