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Lesliegc

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onset of headaches, 5 months post op
« on: December 16, 2011, 07:56:54 pm »
I had my surgery at the end of July, and made a really nice, steady recovery, and then a couple of weeks ago began the headache. It never actually goes away, just waxes and wanes. Advil, tylenol and aleve work, but I'm very leery of the rebound headache, so I've tried to back off taking these. What's particularly challenging is being a yoga teacher. Usually, I can use yoga to make almost anything feel better, but with this, changing my head in space immediately turns up the volume on the pain. It's perplexing. My surgeon seems unconcerned (says, give it another couple of months). I wonder if anyone else had this late-ish onset of headaches, and even more importantly, saw them end at some point? (can you tell I'm fishing for some uplifting feedback?!). Would appreciate any experience, wisdom or advice.
4mmx9mm  right side
diagnosed 6/11/11
middle fossa  7/25/11 at HEI
developed chronic headaches at 5 months post op

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Re: onset of headaches, 5 months post op
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 06:08:27 am »
Hi Leslie,

Sorry I can't offer any uplifting feedback, but I can commiserate.  My headaches started about 5 weeks post op and after six months they are worse than ever.  I'm still searching for a doctor that knows how to get me some relief.  Yes, be careful with the NSAID pain relievers!  I was not, and my stomach got so upset I had trouble eating (which never has been a problem for me) and I lost 20 lb.  My PCP said no more NSAIDs and now all they've given me is acetaminophen an oxycodone (which doesn't do much for me).  I too am into yoga, and also karate, but the wonky head I've had since my surgery and the headaches have kept me away.  I got the same answer from my surgeon, so I'm working with my PCP to find another doc that can help.  I just started seeing a neurologist that specializes in headaches and I'll see a neurosurgeon on Monday for stenosis in my cervical spine and spinal impingement, which is probably contributing to the headaches.  Surgeons seem to think they are done when the tumors out.  You have to be your own advocate and find doctors that can help you.
Diagnosed 12/1/2010, 12.3 mm x 15.2 mm x 15.2 mm, retrosigmoid removal by Drs. Barker & Lee at MGH on April 20, 2011. Lost blood supply to auditory nerve, so SSD. Facial paralysis.

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Re: onset of headaches, 5 months post op
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 07:23:48 pm »
Dear Leslie,
I'm sorry to hear about your headaches, late onset as they were, they are still horrible to live with.   The surgeon told me to cancel my excision surgery and practice yoga.   After wo days of yoga I ended up in the ER where they gave me dilaudid i.v. and pills to take home with me.   You are wise about the rebound headaches but you need relief or you'll go nuts.  The only thing that helped me was getting Myofacial Release Therapy and you can read my posts on them.   Try the occipital nerve blocks.   I did them four times.   Skip the step of going to a neurologist and giving you heavy drugs because they do nothing for the prevention of the headaches and have the most horrific side effects that only complicates how you feel and function.    I ended up going to do the excision surgery which right now I think is only done at Georgetown University Hospital by Dr. Ducic.   Liz(Lizard) just had hers done this past week and two others during the summer.   I had mine done in May and get Xeomin (Botox) shots for the neck and shoulders.   It's a long road I've travelled to recovery and I don't want yours to be as long.

You can find a Myofacial Release Therapist in your state by going to:

http://www.myofascialrelease.com/fascia_massage/public/default.asp

You can contact Dr. Ducic by going to:

http://www.drducicplasticsurgery.com/Ducic_Plastic_Surgery/Home.html

I microwave a neck wrap first thing in the morning and have two long sacks with blue handles that I keep in the freezer for when a headache comes on.    I go to bed with them wrapped around my neck and lower skull at night.   It's much better now that I don't get headaches anymore.

When I wrote to Dr. Friedman for information about headaches he said they don't have much experience with headaches because they do Middle Fossa, but then Captain Deb went to HEI and she still suffers from headaches.   

Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you.

Hugs to you!
Mei Mei
1 cm Tumor RetrosigmoidSurgery on Jan 12 at Johns Hopkins
Drs. Niparko and Tamargo
35dB loss pre surgery and now SSD
Post surgical Headaches and Tinnitus
Dr Ducic Georgetown Excision Surgery May 2011
Dr. Schwartz GW  Titanium Mesh  March 2012
Drs Kalhorn/Baker, Georgetown Removal of Titanium Mesh

Lesliegc

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Re: onset of headaches, 5 months post op
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 08:51:52 pm »
Mei Mei
Wow, thank you for all the suggestions. I need to find your other threads and figure out what exactly excision surgery is because I don't understand the whole backstory....hoping that is not something I will have to think about. I had cranial sacral massage early on, which is similar I think in terms of mobilizing the dura and stretching connective tissue, and it did make me feel better. That was just in my general post op yuckiness. I wasn't having the constant headache back then. And now unfornately we have run our HSA to empty and I don't have money for treatments that aren't covered by insurance, but I will see if I can find a myofacial release therapist in my area. thanks so much for the info.
4mmx9mm  right side
diagnosed 6/11/11
middle fossa  7/25/11 at HEI
developed chronic headaches at 5 months post op

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Re: onset of headaches, 5 months post op
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 06:19:07 pm »
Leslie,

I also started to have severe headaches about 3-4 months post op. I sometimes had 3-4 headaches a day, or one that would just never end. I went to a few neurologists, tried gabapentin and trileptal medications, took more tyleno and motrin than anyone should ever take, did PT, had triggerpoint injections and Botox injections. The 3 things that helped the most was PT for my neck and shoulders, triggerpoint injections all along my scalp line, jaw and neck, and the Botox. It took over a year and a half to get the headaches under control. I actually had almost 4 months pain free, then I went back to work for the first time since surgery and started having headaches again. I had Botox injections one month ago and have been headache and facial pain free for almost 3 weeks. It looks like I will have to have Botox every few months but if that is what keeps the headaches away, then that's what I will do. Everyone is different and it's alot of trial and error, but keep the faith and you will get through this:)
Retrosigmoid 9/24/09
AN 2.4+ cm left side
Mount Sinai Hospital, NYC (Dr. Bederson and Dr. Choe)
BAHA surgery 1/4/2010

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Re: onset of headaches, 5 months post op
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 11:06:22 am »
Leslie,
I thought I was going to have a piece of cake recovery because I was doing so well at 3-4 weeks post-op.  I did have a colossal migraine 10 days post-op but I had been having migraine headaches for years before my diagnosis, but they were quite mild and ususally went away in a few hours with a couple ibuprophen.  My surgeon said I had had a magnified migraine from the surgery.  I was fine for months until about 4-5 months post-op I started having "headaches."  I started seeing my local neurologist because I had had my surg in Cali at HEI and I am in NC. I got worse and worse and the neuro tried about every preventive med under the sun.  Nothing worked, even acupuncture.

I finally went to a headache specialist at a headache clinic who gave me trigger point injections for immediate relief and he put me on a cocktail of meds including gabapentin (Neurontin.)  He also got me started on injectable Imitrex--I used small doses out of vials--usually 2.5 to3 mg. I also went to one of the ANA Symposiums and got some good info on Topamax and started on that. I applied for disability because I could no longer work and after 2 turndowns, finally got it (It took 4 years)which meant I could start with more aggressive treatment that my insurance wouldn't cover.  Occipital nerve blocks were my first step and they really worked like a charm, but you can only have 5 of them in 12 months. My next step was Botox, which really gave me my life back.  I stopped Botox about a year ago and rarely have a headache, but when I do they are doozies but I am armed with injectable Imitrex which usually knocks it out in about an hour.

That is the condensed version of almost 9 years.

My advice to you is

1.  Start keeping a headache journal--(If you google "headache journal template" a bunch of them will pop up for you to download.) makes it easier when you see a headache specialist. Note the type of pain (throbbing, continuous,)  Where the source of the pain is (neck, jaw) Also note the activity you have done to trigger it or did you wake up with it (that was me)How long it lasted, what meds you took for it (never, never take Advil or any other NSAID on an empty stomach--that's what graham crackers are for--trust me on this one)

2. Get on the ANA website and order audio transcripts from the headache workshops at the ANA Symposiums.  Dr Leonetti's from Chicago 09 is really good.

3.  Wrap your head around the fact that the source of your headaches will probably never be known because they are caused by a combination of factors

4. If you're not better by 6 months to a year, get thyself to a headache specialist at a headache clinic (mine was a 3 hour drive at first once a week, then once a month, then once every 3 months) Do not rely on your surgeon for headache treatment if you have them for more than 6 months. After 6 months no one should have "post-operative pain."  By then you are considered to be "chronic."  Pain management professionals come into play at this point.

5.  Botox has been cleared for headache management by the FDA which means that many insurance companies will cover it.  In looking for someone to administer it, make sure you will be getting 15-20 shots--4 or 5 and you are wasting your time and money. My neurologist gives me 3 full syringes and injects me about 7 times with each syringe--not fun, but not nearly as painful as a brainwreck.  Ask in advance for some mild sedation like Xanax or Ativan--they'll give it to you.

6. Keep in touch with the folks here for moral support, they are great and save up your money to get to the next Symposium--if you can't afford it, there is financial aid through the ANA to help with airfare, hotel and the Symposium fees.  There are at least 2 headache workshops there, plus roundtable discussions where you can get one on one help from a professional.

In all my research I have come to my own theory--as my incision and all the stuff that was sliced and diced inside my head healed, it healed wrong.  Also, since many of my headaches begin with severe neck pain, the position my head was in during surgery (middle fossa) injured my neck as well, adding a cervicogenic component to my headaches.

And be aware that, since there are multiple components to our headaches, we are all different and what works for one of us may not work for you.  It is really a crap shoot.  Hence the headache journal which is an important tool for a professional to use for your treatment. 

I hope this helps--I know exactly what you are going through and it is frightening and horrific to endure so much pain--unfortunately I went through this process "flying blind"without this resource and the benefit of other peoples experience.  I hope you are able to find relief and find it soon.

Best Regards,

Capt Deb
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Mid-fossa HEI, Jan 03 Friedman & Hitselberger
Chronic post-op headaches
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Re: onset of headaches, 5 months post op
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 01:19:40 pm »
Leslie, as others have said, the causes of post surgical head pain vary and what works to relieve the pain will also vary.  You may have to try several things before you find something or a combination of things that help you with your pain, so be persistent.  There is help out there!! 

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