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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2008, 09:52:32 am »
Everyone has offered you good advice and let me add one little bit regarding the size/treatment and facial nerve outcome.  As Jan stated smaller vestibular schwannomas are easier to remove, they do less damage to surrounding nerves because their size is not compromising those nerves (in particular the facial nerve). 

The bigger the tumor is, 2cm and greater in size, surgery to remove the tumor without damaging the facial nerve is made more difficult.  Surgery for removing this tumor and it's location is an extremely delicate procedure; hence, the need for surgeons who have performed hundreds if not thousands of this particular surgery. 

I'm not sure if you have chosen your treatment yet, but I did want to bring up this little bit of information if you had settled on surgery.  I'm not sure about facial nerve damage regarding radiation therapy and the size of the tumor as I had surgical treatment and in hind sight glad I did as my surgeon had to revisit my inner ear/facial nerve and did an excellent job (once again) in saving my smile! 
1/05 Retrosigmoid 1.5cm AN left ear, SSD
2/08 Labyrinthectomy left ear 
Dr. Patrick Antonelli Shands at University of Florida, Gainesville, FL
12/09 diagnosis of semicircular canal dehiscence right ear

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 04:15:32 pm »
Hi, Julie:

I've been distracted with the usual vicissitudes of daily life the past few days and haven't had much time to read and respond to posts, but I wanted to reply to yours.

First, my belated welcome and regret that you have to deal with an acoustic neuroma.  However, it is benign and certainly treatable. For better or worse, there are options and choices to make, some of which could have a long-ranging impact on your quality of life.  This is why doing research - just as you've been doing -  is critical and so, highly recommended.

Many AN patients with 'small' (under 3 cm) ANs opt for surgery because, as others have noted, they want the tumor physically removed, mostly for peace of mind.  Radiation (GammaKnife, CyberKnife, FSR) is generally quite successful, certainly non-invasive and easier on your body - but it is not risk-free (nerves can still be damaged) and requires frequent (semi-annual, for awhile) MRI scans to track the tumor's shrinkage and cell-death.  Unfortunately, as you've undoubtedly been told by doctors who favor surgery, the AN can re-grow, even after radiation and, to be fair, even after surgery, too.  There simply are no guarantees.  This leaves the final treatment decision up to you - and you alone.   It's a tough decision but it has to be made.  Please know that we'll help you in any way we can.  That's a promise. 

Whatever treatment you ultimately choose, Julie, we'll support you.  Our members run the gamut from those who chose surgery for a relatively small AN to those who underwent necessary surgery for a large AN, then radiation to kill it's DNA.  That would be me.  :)

As others have correctly stated, feel free to ask any question.  We understand your state of mind and concerns because we've been where you are.  We want to help.  Please use this site, the forums and our members as a resource.  That's why we're here.  :)

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2008, 04:59:20 pm »
One of the doctors I consulted said the recurrence with surgery is about 1%. He ONLY did surgery. I asked him (much to his shagrin) what it was with radiation, he said 2%. I do NOT know if this guy was correct or not, but he helped convince me to go CK. My CK doctor I never asked about this particular statistic comparison, so that might be something to do research on or to get some clarification about.

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Diagnosed March 24, 2008, 1.1cm, right side, "Goldie" - small but mighty!! :-(
Hearing, lottsa balance problems and a few facial twitches before CK
CK June 2, 2008, BNI in PHX, Drs Daspit/Kresl, side effects,steroids helped. Getting "sea legs".
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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2008, 05:51:51 pm »
Greetings Julie, I have just one thought. Don't let travel influence your decision. You only do this once. Get the best treatment wherever it leads you and don't forget we are all praying for you.  ,,,,,Larry
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 I am becoming the pereson I am.

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2008, 06:56:02 am »
Thanks, Everyone, for all the info and support...I am still wading through all the possibilites, treatments and scenarios...Quite frankly, it's exhausting.  I manage to maintain composure at work etc, but when telling friends I've been "losing it"...

Now, to add insult, to injury, I'm either getting the flu or I'm now getting nausea from the tumor...I don't really know which, but it's miserable...  What has been people's experience with that?  No other symptoms have changed...

My appointment with the MI Ear Institute, Dr. Borjab, is tomorrow.  Details to follow...

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2008, 05:13:23 pm »
Julie,
Once I was diagnosed I was nauseas until after surgery.  Nerves.  If you do have the flu I'm sorry.   Hang in there.  It will get better.  Will look forward to hearing how your doctor's visit went.  Ask lots of questions, take a list, write down the answers and if possible, take someone with you.  An extra person in the room will sometimes hear things that you won't because your brain will be busy.
Best,
Marci
3cmx4cm trigeminal neuroma, involved all the facial nerves, dx July 8, 2008, tx July 22, 2008, home on July 24, 2008. Amazing care at University Hospitals in Cleveland.

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2008, 06:05:10 pm »
Hi Julie,
I think the best information I got was from Dr. Daspit at Barrow's in AZ. I really did my research and he happens to be a friend of my ENT here in Utah. Dr. Daspit told me one of the main things I could do is determine the rate of growth. Most are really slow growing and I needed to determine if mine was truly growing slow or not at all. I checked with my insurance and they would pay for another MRI after 3 months from the prior one. It showed that it had grown 30%. So I decided to do CK ASAP. If it had shown little or no growth I may have done watch and wait. I am doing well, 3 weeks post Cyberknife.
I do have some balance and dizziness, but had that before and am told it should get back to my pre-ck status at some point. I hope you are able to make an informed decision with the help of this forum. It has been a god send to me.
Hang in,
Sherry
1.2cm x 0.6 cm extracanicular component (7 mm) 05/08/08
MRI in AUG 08  showed 30 % growth
Having CK 9/30, 10/1 and 10/2/08
1/12/08 MRI shows swelling

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2008, 10:51:26 pm »
Hi Julie,

I live in Michigan too. (Grand Rapids)  My AN is growing so I have to do something about it soon.  Next week I'm going to the Acoustic Neuroma Center at Barrow Hospital in Phoenix.  They told me that they do all the "cures" (surgery, Gamma, Cyber etc.)   They said they do not push you into doing any one treatment, but instead evaluate you and tell you which treatment they think would be best for you.  Then you can either go back there and have it done, or find a doctor in your area to treat you. ( There's no one in Grand Rapids who does Gamma or Cyber either)

If you would like I could tell you how it went when I get back.  They sounded very nice on the phone and set up all my appointments in a 4 day period, so I won't have to stay there too long.
My insurance will pay for the doctor appointments and test, but I have to pay for lodging and to get there.  I'm hoping because they do so many Acoustic Neuromas at their center that they will be able to give me some good un-biased advice. Maybe they could help you too.

Good Luck

Kathee

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2008, 03:14:29 am »
Hi, Julie:

Welcome to our forum.

I was finally diagnosed eleven months ago (after having symptoms for over 7 years) with a 1.9cm AN. All the doctors (3 neurosurgeons and 3 radiosurgery doctors) who looked at my MRI and gave their consultation agreed I could wait six months for a followup MRI to reveal whether or not the tumor was continuing to grow. As all forms of treatment have potentially life-altering consequences, I wanted to know that treatment was absolutely necessary before proceeding. As it turns out, my tumor was growing about 5 times faster than normal. My followup MRI made this clear and prompted me to seek treatment. Fortunately, I had researched my options thoroughly in the interim period between initial and first-followup MRIs, so when I found out the tumor was still growing -- and quickly -- I already had a strategy in place.

I was initially against radiosurgery, until I found out that the statistical chance of it causing malignancy (cancer) was virtually no greater than the risk the general population has of getting cancer. Then came the question of whether I could accept living with the damn thing still in my head (hopefully dead in time, after radiosurgery) or felt I must have it removed for my peace of mind. That was actually easy for me. I figured I'd already lived with it for probably well over 10 years at that point, so it was no big deal to still have it inside my head -- as long as it didn't continue to grow. "Who knows what other tumors I might have elsewhere in my body that haven't been found yet," I mused. "Should I get a full-body scan and have every tumor and cyst removed?" I was the same person I was before diagnosis. I could live with my "ten-year companion" inside me. Especially considering the alternative:

I opted for CyberKnife (CK) radiotherapy instead of resection because statistics indicated (and my doctors advised) that, for my size tumor (which had grown to 2.1 cm) and its location, I had a much greater chance of preserving my hearing and facial-nerve function with radiosurgery: 75% chance of hearing preservation and 99% chance of facial-nerve-function preservation with CK, vs 100% chance of hearing loss and 31% chance of permanent facial paralysis with resection (either translab or retrosigmoid approach). Please keep in mind these exact percentages are based on my particular circumstances; surgery can yield much better results in other patients presenting a smaller tumor and few symptoms).

I chose CK instead of GammaKnife (GK) because statistics show CK has a slightly better record of success at preserving hearing, is non-invasive, and is fractionated (the treatments are split up into mulitple smaller doses, which I thought I might tolerate better). Also, CK delivers only 15% more radiation at the center of the tumor vs at the periphery. In comparison, GK delivers fully twice the dose (100% more) of radiation at the center than at the periphery of the tumor. Because neither form of radiosurgery attempts to avoid hitting important cranial nerves that the tumor may be encasing, GK will deliver a higher dose of unwanted/unnecessary radiation to those healthy structures located at the center of its radiation cloud (this is thought to be the reason why the especially sensitive hearing nerve has a slightly better chance of surviving treatment with CK than with GK).

That's my personal story, but yours should and will be your very own. The choice of what treatment (if any) you should seek is rightfully totally up to you and is a very personal choice. After all, you're the one who will have to live with it. So make it your own.

As far as where to have your chosen treatment performed, I'd say go wherever feels to you like you'd likely get the best results. I traveled far from home to have my CK treatments performed at Stanford University Medical Center in California. Considering my hearing and facial nerve function could potentially be affected for the rest of my life, I felt the benefits of having the very best (from my perspective) doctors and facility treating me far outweighed any inconvenience travel might cause me. My wife and I made it an adventure, eating out at a different restaurant each night and staying at a wonderful Bed & Breakfast in the Stanford area. I am completely happy with my decision to get CK at Stanford. After a rough 4 weeks immediately post-treatment, I began to rebound quickly. I now feel I am 100% back to where I was before CK in terms of well-being. In one particular way I actually feel better than I did before treatment: my tinnitus has decreased in level and its pulsatile component has virtually ceased. (You should know, however, that this is not a usual outcome of CK; I guess I got lucky!)

You're going to be okay. Research your options thoroughly (this forum is overflowing with great research-based information and empirical observations), lean on everyone here for support, and follow your gut instinct on what to do and when, and it will all turn out okay. It's good to have you join us.

Best wishes,
Tumbleweed
L. AN 18x12x9 mm @ diagnosis, 11/07
21x13x11 mm @ CK treatment 7/11/08 (Drs. Chang & Gibbs, Stanford)
21x15x13 mm in 12/08 (5 months post-CK), widespread necrosis, swelling
12x9x6 mm, Nov. 2017; shrank ~78% since treatment!
W&W on stable 6mm hypoglossal tumor found 12/08

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2008, 02:53:42 pm »
Dear Tumbleweed,

Were you able to send an MRI to Stanford for an evaluation or did you have to go in person?  I'm trying to find 3-4 different facilities around the country to send my MRI to, and can't seem to locate the person or department for Stanford?  I contacted someone via e-mail and the said I had the wrong department and forwarded my e-mail, but never got a response.

Would you mind giving me the correct department, e-mail, name or whatever information you have that I may contact them, also?

Thanks  Tisha
1.7 x 1.0 x .9 cm (diagnosed Oct 2008)
1.8 x 1.2 x 1.1 cm  (July 2010-swelling)
1.5 x .9 x .9 cm  (Mar 2013 - 5 yr MRI)
Cyberknife at Stanford, week of 1/12/09 -  Drs. Chang and Soltys

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2008, 01:43:20 am »
Hi, Tisha:

I was able to email my MRI and audiogram results to Dr. Steven Chang at Stanford. He eventually became my doctor for CK treatment, but first gave me a couple of consultations -- spaced six months apart -- by phone free of charge. He is awesome. I didn't need an in-person appointment. He answered my emails typically within hours of me sending them, even before I was a patient. He gave me his prognosis and recommendation for treatment by phone, after reviewing my MRI, etc.

Dr. Chang's email address is: sdchang@stanford.edu. That's probably the best way to reach him. Here's his other contact info:
Steven Chang, MD
Department of Neurosurgery
300 Pasteur Dr., Room R-225
Stanford, CA 94305
tel 650-723-5573

You are wise to seek out the opinions of multiple doctors. Not only will you gain different perspectives, you will also feel like you did your homework thoroughly and will therefore enter treatment knowing in your gut that you made the right (i.e., informed) choice. I sought out consultations with 6 different AN specialists across the country, but I remember feeling certain about my course of action after the 4th consultation. The remaining two just confirmed my gut instinct at that point.

Good luck in your quest!

Best wishes,
Tumbleweed
L. AN 18x12x9 mm @ diagnosis, 11/07
21x13x11 mm @ CK treatment 7/11/08 (Drs. Chang & Gibbs, Stanford)
21x15x13 mm in 12/08 (5 months post-CK), widespread necrosis, swelling
12x9x6 mm, Nov. 2017; shrank ~78% since treatment!
W&W on stable 6mm hypoglossal tumor found 12/08

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2008, 04:45:40 am »
Thank you so much, Tumbleweed.

I want to send my MRI out this week to Dr. Chang, Dr. Lederman at Cabrini, Johns Hopkins and Staten Island.  I'm sort of leaning towards FRS from everything I've researched, but I'm in the wait and watch mode right now, but want to be very proactive.   I really appreciate this information.

Tisha
1.7 x 1.0 x .9 cm (diagnosed Oct 2008)
1.8 x 1.2 x 1.1 cm  (July 2010-swelling)
1.5 x .9 x .9 cm  (Mar 2013 - 5 yr MRI)
Cyberknife at Stanford, week of 1/12/09 -  Drs. Chang and Soltys

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2008, 10:57:57 am »
Tumbleweed,

What made you decide to choose Dr. Chang over the other six?  I am going to start out by sending out 3 letters this week, one to Dr. Chang.  Would you be kind enough to share with me what it was about him that you felt made him the best doctor for you?

Thanks

Tisha
1.7 x 1.0 x .9 cm (diagnosed Oct 2008)
1.8 x 1.2 x 1.1 cm  (July 2010-swelling)
1.5 x .9 x .9 cm  (Mar 2013 - 5 yr MRI)
Cyberknife at Stanford, week of 1/12/09 -  Drs. Chang and Soltys

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2008, 01:41:47 am »
Hi, Tisha:

My process was, in chronological order: 1. Decide on which type of treatment was best for me, 2. choose the best facility (the one with the most experience with that treatment), and then 3. choose the doctor who had the most experience with the treatment.

I decided to have CyberKnife (CK) because it: 1. is non-invasive, 2. statistically offered me a much better chance of preservation of my hearing and facial-nerve function compared to resection, 3. is more accurate than standard FSR (theoretically causing less damage to nearby healthy tissues), 4. delivers a more homogeneous dose of radiation to the tumor compared to GammaKnife, and 5. is fractionated (split up into smaller doses, which I thought I might tolerate better), and 6. offers slightly better chance of hearing preservation than GammaKnife.

Dr. Adler of Stanford University Medial Center invented CyberKnife and Stanford had at least 5 years more experience with the treatment compared to any other institution, due to the fact that they exclusively used it in clinical trials between 1994 and 1999, while other institutions had to wait until FDA approval in 1999 to use it. So Stanford was clearly the most experienced facility in using CyberKnife.

I'd heard, I think through this forum, that Dr. Chang had worked for many years with Dr. Adler at Stanford, delivering CK treatment. If I'm not mistaken, he and Dr. Adler are the most experienced doctors with CK at Stanford. (If anyone knows this to be untrue, please correct me.) So as soon as I chose Stanford, I was leaning heavily toward Dr. Chang or Dr. Adler as my physician. The final piece fell into place when I found out Dr. Chang did free consultations for people diagnosed with an AN. I sent him an email asking if he would be so kind to do this for me. The email was sent on New Year's Eve, yet I got a personal reply from Dr. Chang within two hours! That impressed the heck out of me and gave me confidence I would get the attention I needed when undergoing such a major operation. I also liked that Dr. Chang is a neurosurgeon. When he told me he thought CK was my best option, it carried more weight because I knew he also did resection. One other thing: when Dr. Chang advised me by phone (twice, once for the initial MRI reading and then again for the followup MRI), he never made me feel rushed. He answered all my questions without hurry and with respect for my right to make decisions for myself. As a result, I felt really clear about my options after we finished talking.

I can't praise Dr. Chang, Iris Gibbs (my radiation oncologist), and the entire staff at Stanford enough. I felt that everyone treated me with great care and professionalism. I never felt like my case was being lost in the shuffle. To this day, my emails are always answered promptly and thoughtfully. I feel like I made the right choices.

Best wishes,
Tumbleweed
L. AN 18x12x9 mm @ diagnosis, 11/07
21x13x11 mm @ CK treatment 7/11/08 (Drs. Chang & Gibbs, Stanford)
21x15x13 mm in 12/08 (5 months post-CK), widespread necrosis, swelling
12x9x6 mm, Nov. 2017; shrank ~78% since treatment!
W&W on stable 6mm hypoglossal tumor found 12/08

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Re: Newly diagnosed and overwhelmed...to say the least...
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2008, 07:08:37 am »
Tumbleweed,

Thank you so much for your lengthy response and all the information.  I have printed it out and plan on using it to help with my decision.  I will be sending Dr. Chang and Dr. Adler my information within the next two days.  I appreciate all your help.


Tisha
1.7 x 1.0 x .9 cm (diagnosed Oct 2008)
1.8 x 1.2 x 1.1 cm  (July 2010-swelling)
1.5 x .9 x .9 cm  (Mar 2013 - 5 yr MRI)
Cyberknife at Stanford, week of 1/12/09 -  Drs. Chang and Soltys