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Mei Mei

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Re: Capt Deb's research file
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2010, 08:14:33 pm »
Yes, I was pleasantly surprised.   He finally said we've tried all the drugs and then referred me out.    I'm already feeling weird because I didn't have my evening dose of Lithium and am going through withdrawal, but it didn't work for headaches.   Wish I didn't have to go through so many drugs before he realized the drugs won't work for an AN headache.   I'd really like to hear your stories.   It sure feels good to share information and help the group out.

Good luck with the ablation.   Hoping it works for your sake!

Sleep well tonigh!
Mei Mei
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 08:19:02 am »
I'm sending you good vibes and hope it is successful.   Is anyone going with you?  I wish I were there to support you more.   I'm here in spirit and think of you.   I hope it isn't painful.

Mei Mei
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Drs. Niparko and Tamargo
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Post surgical Headaches and Tinnitus
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2010, 08:35:11 am »
I'm so eager to hear how the procedure goes and how both of you respond.
Good luck and hopefully you feel good as new!
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2010, 09:22:51 am »
Good luck cin605!

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Re: Capt Deb's research file
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2010, 01:15:58 pm »
Nerve ablaision is done .....it hurt pretty bad when they were doing it....they do not completely sedate you....like they did for blocks becouse they need you to be responsive....site is a bit swollen...sore...thye said it could be sore for 4-5 weeks or maybe not at all....sent me off w/ a script for percocette....ice paks....I will keep you guys posted....bring on the relief!
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2010, 02:24:47 pm »
Geez!  No sedation for that?   I'm proud of you woman!   God Bless YOU!   Stay home now, take meds and try not to think about it.   Think happy thoughts and thoughts of the ocean!
Mei Mei
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Drs. Niparko and Tamargo
35dB loss pre surgery and now SSD
Post surgical Headaches and Tinnitus
Dr Ducic Georgetown Excision Surgery May 2011
Dr. Schwartz GW  Titanium Mesh  March 2012
Drs Kalhorn/Baker, Georgetown Removal of Titanium Mesh

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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2010, 06:58:09 pm »
Yeah Cin!
I am on the road towards this procedure with a really top notch pain specialist--'bout time after 8 years.  My personal theory is that our headaches are not "organic"headaches--caused by hormone imbalance or something systemic.  Hence the limited results we get with meds like Topamax and Imitrex.  They are more "mechanical" or "surgical trauma" headaches cause by disruption of nerves which occurred during surgery due to a number of different factors.  I believe that I had a mild case of occipital neuralgia before surgery since I have had neck problems and headaches for years.  I have had a number of "crashes" in my lifetime--a whiplash car accident in high school, a skiing wreck in my mid 20's and I got run over by a bunch of novice tourists on a motoring sailboat while I was windsurfing.  So my neck was a wreck to begin with and then it was jammed into a vice for 4 hours while they diddled around near my brainstem.  Yes, traumatic.

My plan with my new pain doc is to work on my back first and allow the Botox in my head to wear off so he can map out my headache pattern with more accuracy.  The Botox works pretty good, but I still get neck and occipital pain.  I am planning on nerve ablation or rhizotomy, which from my research seems to be pretty much the same thing.

On Monday I had over 40 shots in my lumbar region--peripheral nerve blocks--OOOOOUUUUCH!! Way more painful than I expected and no sedation.  He had to stop a few times to allow me to quit sobbing and calm down and I am pretty tough when it comes to pain.  I go back in 3 weeks for another set--he wrote me a Xanax prescription for next time so it shouldn't be so bad.  I have had SI joint injections--3 of them, but with limited results so he thinks that the pain is coming from the tendons and ligaments surrounding the sacroiliac joints rather than from the space inside the joint.  He has no doubt that this whole syndrome began with my 4 hr laparoscopic hysterectomy--yes I am the Queen of Complications.

After the second round of peripheral nerve blocks, and my pain is reduced, he will go in and ablate these same nerves, which involves going in with a radiofrequency needle and frying the nerves which will interrupt their function of sending pain signals to the brain.  My new GP had this done in her lumbar spine and she has never had pain since.

After all this is done my Botox should be worn off which I will be glad of since I look pretty strange--my eyebrows droop, kinda making me look like a Vulcan, but my forehead is smooth as a baby's butt.  I would rather have a few wrinkles than this weird expression since I wear my hair over my forehead anyway.

The plan is to do some nerve blocks in my neck, C2-C3, which I haven't done before and then some other blocks along the occipital nerves to see exactly where the irritation is located. I have had 5 occipital nerve blocks before, with fairly good results, but you can only have 6 a year. My new pain doc, Dr Hines,  maps out the bony structures with a fluoroscope and metal markers, giving much more pinpoint accuracy than the last pain doc I saw.  The last pain doc I saw was  the regular anesthesiologist at my local hospital who worked in the hospital's pain clinic, but the new one runs a specialty pain clinic and  all he does is pain medicine.  Again, if 2 blocks work we go in with either chemoneurolysis or ablation.  I'm doing more research on the difference betweeen the two.

So that's where I am in the process of getting my life back!  It has just sucked for 8 years either having a terrible headache every time I try to go to have some fun and lately doing nothing but sitting in a recliner watching TV and going to doctors appointments.  The biggest thing I have done was go to Philly and Chicago to the ANA symposiums, which were great, but I was in a lot of pain the whole time.  Kind of put a damper on a lot of the things I wanted to do.

I'll keep you posted on my progress, and again Cin, let us know how you progress.

Love and No Ache to you all!

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2010, 09:33:29 am »
Dear Deb and Cindy,
Thanks so much for the updates on your ablation and plans to get out of this pain situation.   I feel like I am a carbon copy of both of you with the exception that I had a retrosigmoid surgery.   My upper neck (probably C2-3) and sub occipital area have been in even more pain the last two weeks ever since I cracked two ribs helping my father on the weekend when the aides were off duty.  Nothing I do for the area helps, but the ribs are on the mend.   If it helps as added information, please tell your pain docs that a fellow ANers recently was in the ER for broken ribs and they gave her iv morphine that helped the ribs, but didn't touch the occipital or neck region pain.  I think it's useful information.

Wishing you all a pain free day!
Mei Mei
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Drs. Niparko and Tamargo
35dB loss pre surgery and now SSD
Post surgical Headaches and Tinnitus
Dr Ducic Georgetown Excision Surgery May 2011
Dr. Schwartz GW  Titanium Mesh  March 2012
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Re: Capt Deb's research file
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2010, 10:53:24 am »
They were giving some kind of pain relievr through an IV during the proceedure....the nurse said when it hurts yell more drugs.....stiil hurt like hell....BUT today i do not feel too bad....woke up at 3 am and turned on the heating pad...took a lorazepam two tylenol and dozed back off till 8am....it not killing in the usual spot its more at injection sites....I have c2 c3 damage also....just went and got an iced coffee..i am hooked on McDonalds iced coffee luck its a minute from my place.
Go back for follow up right before Christmas....I think we may be onto some thing here.....My Dr...is well known spine specialist...they move my appointment earlier so he could fly of to san francisco for a seminar,he just got back from Washington...I say fly everywhere get knowledge and share,share,share.
they use teflon needles for the radio frequency so they do not stick to the nerve they are cauterizing ...i guess.
i am very grateful i saw this guy in the Wentworth Douglas Hospital flyer and asked my primary for a referal.
Seems like i have to tell these drs exactly what i need....gabepenton...ect.
I feel like maybe i should be taking some kind of course to help other people that go through this..and gather all thier resources and tell them how they should deal...go here..go there..skip the middle man.

Going to Dartmouth in Jan for audio work up to get referal for hearing aid.
I am not messing around w/anymore..
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Re: Capt Deb's research file
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2010, 11:19:32 am »
Hey Cindy,

Could you copy your nerve ablation experience and put it in a new topic? Like "Cindy's nerve ablation for headaches" or something--I think it may be getting lost in this research file topic.
Go to you posts and hit "modify" and highlight, copy and post it post it in a new topic.  This procedure you are going through is a really big breakthrough for all of us and it would be great if it were more visible to new people coming onto the headache Section.  I am so excited for you.  Ordinary people can't fathom how life-killing this type of pain is--the IV morphine not touching the pain is just an example.  When I had my thyroid surgery, I developed a brainwreck a few hours post-op, probably from the position they had my head in from the surgery.  They doubled my demerol to 50 mgs, which didn't touch the headache.  I finally ended up begging them for a big dose of IV Valium so I could just try and pass out.  I have contemplated suicide more times than I care to talk about, just for some relief, but I think of my wonderful husband and grandkids, and that thought goes away pretty quickly.

I am having a good bit of back pain today because yesterday I drove to Asheville (the Paris of the South) with my hubby and Uncle and ate at my favorite restaurant and did some shopping and went to the world's best chocolate shop called "The Chocolate Fetish", browsed great art galleries, visited the Southern Highlands Craft guild folk art center on the Blue Ridge Parkway, and just had a really fun fun fun day with my favorite Uncle.  I haven't had a cool outing like that in almost a year and a half.  Of course I'm paying for it today with a good deal of back and head pain--hopefully the back is just muscle pain from unused muscles and not the nerve blocks not working--it does take a few days to kick in sometimes.


Hugs to you all---

Capt Deb
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2010, 11:46:43 am »
A Pain Clinic website--lots of good info on different techniques for pain relief

http://www.painclinic.org/index.htm

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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2010, 12:24:45 pm »
Done deal Deb...Sorry for the hijak!!! ;D
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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2010, 12:46:53 pm »
Deb, that's in interesting site, thanks for sharing!  I bookmarked it for future reference.
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2010, 03:07:07 pm »
Found this on exercise headaches, which I get like crazy--notice #6 on the list of causes.  No doc has ever suggested a lumbar puncture to me.

http://www.severe-headache-expert.com/exercise-headache.html

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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2010, 04:03:37 pm »
Deb,
Funny you posted this, because I have horrible exertional headaches ever since the surgery and I take indomethicin, which helps amazingly well for them, but unfortunately is VERY tough on the body especially the tum tum.  As always thank you for sharing!  :)
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Left AN 2.5CM,retrosigmoid 11/2008, second surgery to repair CSF leak. 
Headaches began immediately.  Dr. Ducic occipital nerve resection, December 2011!!!!!

"When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on"
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