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JGinLA

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Seeking input on SRS decision
« on: July 29, 2024, 02:23:37 pm »
I'm having a difficult time making a decision whether to proceed with SRS and would appreciate the thoughts from others who have navigated the AN journey. In 2010 I was experiencing tinnitus and occasional small bouts of dizziness, so I went to an ENT who prescribed an MRI which found an AN on my left side. It was fairly small, about 4mm X 4mm. The ENT referred me to Dr. Brackmann at House who has been my AN doctor ever since. I discussed it with Brackmann, joined ANA, did some research and decided to "watch and wait". For 14 years I've had multiple MRI at decreasing frequency and the size has varied between 4-5mm, which I attribute more to measurement variation than actual size variation. I have Tinnitus and the hearing in my left ear has historically been about 10dB below the right, which has typical age-related degradation, I'm 66 years old. The AN had really no affect on my lifestyle, no limitations on what I could do. In 2018 I had a bad episode of Vertigo, I couldn't even stand up. It lasted less than an hour and, in a week, or so I seemed back to normal. There was no proof it was due to the AN, but Brackmann and I both think it likely was. In April of this year, I woke up one morning with horrible Tinnitus, no hearing in the left ear and I couldn't walk a straight line. I went to see Brackmann and he did Steroid in injections in my ear and put me on a strong oral steroid. The steroids brought back a lot of hearing but now I'm 15-20 dB down on the left side, depending on frequency, and the sound is distorted, kind of like a Kazoo. We did an MRI and the AN has not grown. Tinnitus is about the same, maybe a little worse, and my balance is back to normal. I know most people have SRS to reduce the size of their AN, but mine is small and hasn't grown in 14 years. What I want is to stabilize my situation; keep my balance, keep the hearing from getting any worse and just live with the Tinnitus. Brackmann says based on his experience if I do nothing it's only a matter of time until I lose all hearing in my ear. And he can't say how long the benefit from the steroid will last. He also says the data on whether SRS will stabilize my situation is inconclusive. My feeling is I want to take some action, fight back against the tumor to prevent it from acting up again in the future. If I just sit around and wait until my hearing is gone then I know it will be too late, there is no getting it back. But then I read reports from some people that SRS has made their symptoms worse, it seems like the minority but the chances of having a problem and things getting worse can't be ignored. Has anybody been in a similar situation? Any thoughts on who to talk to or where I could get more information to help make the decision? House no longer does SRS so I had a consultation with Dr. Lee at USC Oncology and he feels confident he can do the radio surgery and kill the tumor. They use True Beam instead of CK or GK. 

Thank you to anybody who provides any help at all.
Jeff                 
4mm AN on left side
Diagnosed Sept 2010
Watching and Waiting

UkulelesAreAwesome

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2024, 05:11:18 pm »
Hi. I had GK two years ago at age 54. I had already lost most of the hearing before GK. Tinnitus did not improve. It is louder now. Balance and dizziness worsens for most people when the tumor starts to react. My balance is good now 2 years later. In my own situation the symptoms didn't improve but I gained peace of mind that I may have stunted the growth of the tumor. At the moment, the doctors suspect my tumor is swelling and possibly growing. I think GK and other similar procedures work wonderfully for some. I'm not sure yet if it worked. The procedure was not bad. I was on my way home at noon the same day. I have headaches now which I didn't have before.
But I would still do it again if given a choice between GK and surgery. 
Left sided AN diagnosed April 2022
Gamma Knife August 2022 - AN 1.6 x 1.1 cm
Aug 2023- stable
April 2024 - 1.7 x1.3 cm
Mild ventriculomegaly

JGinLA

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2024, 09:09:43 pm »
Thank you for your response. Since my tumor hasn't grown in 14 years and I'm 66 years old I'm not even considering surgery. It's either SRS or continue watch and wait. Your response reminds me there is risk in doing nothing and risk in doing SRS. It is a difficult decision. If my balance was affected for two years, as you mentioned, it would be a tough two years for sure. And would have to be a real benefit after that to be worth it. This is the hardest decision I've ever had to make. 
4mm AN on left side
Diagnosed Sept 2010
Watching and Waiting

UkulelesAreAwesome

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2024, 01:10:01 am »
I actually felt better before GK but I knew I had to treat the tumor and didn't want surgery. My AN was very close to my brain stem 2 years ago. Now it's touching my brain stem so if they decide it's growing I've been told surgery is my only choice. My recovery seemed to be going well but I guess I've had some complications. I didn't know hydrocephalus was a possible complication. The doctors noticed a problem with the ventricles on my MRI in April. So I may be getting a shunt. GK was my choice though and I was grateful to get it done. I thought GK was going to just resolve my worries about the tumor but I realized later the fears we have are going to resurface every time we get another MRI. It is a tough decision when we weigh the treatment options and take our age and tumor size into consideration.
Left sided AN diagnosed April 2022
Gamma Knife August 2022 - AN 1.6 x 1.1 cm
Aug 2023- stable
April 2024 - 1.7 x1.3 cm
Mild ventriculomegaly

SP

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2024, 01:27:48 am »
Hi Jeff,

I had CK on a large tumor almost 9 years ago.
I had great hearing and balance before then and have since had approx. 50% decline in hearing on left hand side after the CK treatment. That said my tumor was large & a so greater chance of impacting hearing. In the short term after radiation, I had to manage a number of symptoms including increased tinnitus, enlarged 4th ventricle, headaches, over time these have subsided.
I have recovered well from the treatment & glad for my decision to avoid surgery which had a 100% chance of hearing loss on LHS.
best of luck with your decision
Stella
My AN Story – Sydney to Stanford CK

2.3 x 2.2  June 2022@7yrs
2.9 x 2.9  May 2020@5yrs
2.9 cm  Mar 2019@4yrs
2.9 cm  Aug 2018@3yrs
3.1 cm  Aug 2017@2yrs
3.2 cm  Aug 2016@1yr
3.2x3.0x2.5cm AN; CK Aug 2015

JGinLA

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2024, 01:33:59 pm »
SP, Thank you for your response, if you don't mind I have a few questions. How was your balance immediately after CK and what has been the progression since? Did your hearing change immediately after the CK, or has it been a progression, in which case it may have happened anyway? How serious was the enlarged 4th ventricle and how was that dealt with?

I also have decided not to have surgery but in my case my tumor is small and barely or not growing, so deciding whether to have SRS or keep "watching and waiting" is a tough decision.

Jeff   
4mm AN on left side
Diagnosed Sept 2010
Watching and Waiting

DanFouratt

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2024, 03:22:00 pm »
Jeff,

I had CK last September.  I had lost hearing and tinnitus which is what everyone has. I had no balance issues. Occasionally I had moments of dizziness but I found out later that is both a sign of AN (VS actually) and stenosis of the aortic valve which I later found out I had.  The dizziness never made me fall and only once did I need to sit down.  Post Surgery the Tinnitus got worse which I was told was typical.  The afternoon of the treatment I stood up and choose to sit back down but other then that no issues.  I drove for 2.5 hours each way the next day to go shoe shopping with my wife so yes there were some questionable side effects. I did have a few more dizziness moments but since my OHS none.

My thinking was I had no issues, the tumor grew onetime so it could grow more, and I did not want any issues.  I had what I had, but feared balance and taste issues, which have been reported, developing.  I did not want to get worse so I wanted it addressed.  I put together a matrix that had radiation on one side surgery on the other and at my age I went with radiation. If you want the matrix email me at Dan4att@gmail.com.

Good luck on your decision journey,

Dan
Dan Fouratt             63 years old
Vestibular Schwannoma
Discovered 9/15/21  5mm x 11mm
MRI 4/11/22            No change
MRI 1/9/23              7mm x 13 mm
MRI 6/19/23            No change
CK  9/15/23            
MRI 6/14/24            7mm x 12 mm

mwatto

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2024, 02:31:18 am »
I had CK (three fractions) 5  years ago and have annual (no contrast) MRIs and audiograms. So far my balance and hearing is fine and no tinnitus -never had that. I did have deep nerve pain in that ear which is what led me to investigate before diagnosed- and never found out why. I was told it was not caused by AN (specialists, ENT, audiologist, dentist, opthalmologist).
 This year (March) audiogram confirmed hearing still around 85-88%% stable and the same  since treatment. Balance is fine. I do work daily on keeping inflammation low, blood pressure in check and overall having a healthy lifestyle. I listen to music all day so value my hearing. Am 63 btw.
 I did find that one vaccination,  RSV and Covid caused me to have ear, eye, throat and neck pain on that side and cognitive fog.  I saw a Neurosurgeon this year re I was pretty concerned and he said it was viral not AN related. I am fine now -I play chess a few times a day to keep brain sharp, power walk every day for balance, am mindful of what I eat etc.
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Michele
20 x19x14mm Cystic AN diagnosed Feb 2019. CK.
Mri 2019 shrinking: 18x17x13 mm.
Mri 2020 - no cysts visible stable.
MRI 2021 stable no change
MRI 2022 stable no change.
MRI 2023 Further reduction 12x12x10mm!! Hearing 85%
MRI 2024: No change AN or hearing

SP

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2024, 06:03:09 am »
SP, Thank you for your response, if you don't mind I have a few questions. How was your balance immediately after CK and what has been the progression since? Did your hearing change immediately after the CK, or has it been a progression, in which case it may have happened anyway? How serious was the enlarged 4th ventricle and how was that dealt with?

I also have decided not to have surgery but in my case my tumor is small and barely or not growing, so deciding whether to have SRS or keep "watching and waiting" is a tough decision.

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

My balance was a bit wobbly for a few months after, mainly noticeable after travelling on a train, stepping off and needing a minute or two to get my land legs. Day to day I don't notice balance issues now but definitely notice when standing on one leg doing yoga--good news is it gets better with practice.
Hearing decline noticed after approx. 6 months of CK and progressively declined over the years to current lower level on LHS - wear a hearing aid to help.
Enlarged 4th ventricle (hydrocephalus) at 6-month MRI -pretty serious, in consultation with a neurosurgeon we kept a close eye on it for next few months & it normalized over time, worst case for this would have been surgery to implant a shunt to remove the increased CSF from my brain- happy to have dodged that one.

I hear you on the tough decision to make.

my best,

Stella
My AN Story – Sydney to Stanford CK

2.3 x 2.2  June 2022@7yrs
2.9 x 2.9  May 2020@5yrs
2.9 cm  Mar 2019@4yrs
2.9 cm  Aug 2018@3yrs
3.1 cm  Aug 2017@2yrs
3.2 cm  Aug 2016@1yr
3.2x3.0x2.5cm AN; CK Aug 2015

UkulelesAreAwesome

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2024, 06:02:15 pm »
Sp, I don't want to hijack Jeff's thread. Wondering if I could pm you regarding the enlarged ventricle situation. Or if you could pm me.
Left sided AN diagnosed April 2022
Gamma Knife August 2022 - AN 1.6 x 1.1 cm
Aug 2023- stable
April 2024 - 1.7 x1.3 cm
Mild ventriculomegaly

SP

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Re: Seeking input on SRS decision
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2024, 08:29:56 pm »
Hi UkulelesAreAwesome,

Sure a PM is fine, also there's more info in this post in my story link: My AN Story – Sydney to Stanford CK below
https://www.anausa.org/smf/index.php?topic=22640.msg979769729#msg979769729.

Stella
My AN Story – Sydney to Stanford CK

2.3 x 2.2  June 2022@7yrs
2.9 x 2.9  May 2020@5yrs
2.9 cm  Mar 2019@4yrs
2.9 cm  Aug 2018@3yrs
3.1 cm  Aug 2017@2yrs
3.2 cm  Aug 2016@1yr
3.2x3.0x2.5cm AN; CK Aug 2015