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« on: March 23, 2007, 10:34:49 am »
I am very new.  Just diagnosed with Vestibular Schwanomma.  Another name for AN.  It is about 3 cm.  I have just had the worst week, and am looking for people who have been through this.  My first appointment is 4/4/07.  I am very scared, and am told this is very normal.  I tell people about this and they look at me as though I had two heads.  It's not a death sentence.  Please chat with me.  Need help

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 11:06:29 am »
Hi John,

Very sorry to hear you have an AN, but you did the best thing for yourself at this time, writing to this forum looking for answers.  I hope I/we can help you in your journey.  No doubt you have been looking and reading of the different ways there are in treating your AN.  Your best bit of advice will be to become educated, as best you can, in the three ways to treat--1.  Wait and watch; 2.  Microsurgery; 3.  GK/FSR treatments.  Go into the different ways to treat that this association has categorized.  Write down all questions that come to mind when reading of people's first-hand experiences and take this list to your first doctors' appointment.  Someone on this forum mentioned he took a tape recorder and recorded his session.  There can be alot of information coming at you from your doctor and the recorder will jog your memory when you are home after the visit.  You can then call and ask your doctor more questions you may have.  You probably would be doing yourself some good to see a few doctors that treat with surgery as well as, radio-therapy, there is also another surgery route called endoscopy, but I personally do not have first-hand experience with this form, but have read good success stories from others who have.  I am two + years post-surgery, during my surgery they removed my left vestibular nerve (where the tumor originated from) in so doing my hearing nerve was compromised, my facial nerve is fine.  Before surgery I had issues for many years that could be excused, in the end my hearing went relatively quickly in my left ear, which then led to the test.  I am left with, but continue to improve on, balance issues, nystagmus (eyes don't move with head movements), SSD (single sided deafness) no improvements here, occasional dry eyes, headaches in control with one ibuprofen every other week, fatigue from too much stimuli near the end of the day.  I have been teaching yoga for a little over one year now (practiced for 9 years prior surgery) and have found a great benefit in my progress with the above issues.  The fact this tumor is slow growing will benefit you in allowing you time to make a choice in how you will treat your tumor.  The best advice my doctor gave me was, "There is no wrong decision."  It surely scared me in the beginning and found it difficult to relax with knowing I had time, all I wanted was for this "thing" to come out of my body.  More often than not, these tumors are "watched" until such time the symptoms cannot be ignored any longer and a decision must be made as to how to treat.  You will find everyone here more than helpful and knowledgeable.  Please write me via email if you want, but there will be so many more of "us" that will respond to your inquiry. 
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2/08 Labyrinthectomy left ear 
Dr. Patrick Antonelli Shands at University of Florida, Gainesville, FL
12/09 diagnosis of semicircular canal dehiscence right ear

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 11:11:01 am »
I was scared when I first found out about my AN also.  Don't be despari.  We all go through this emotion.  As you research more for your treatment options, your fear will be reduced.  This is a great group of caring people here.  There is also tons of information and experience to help you through your process.  I was a basket case for a while but once my decision on treatment was made, I felt much more at ease.  This is the most difficult part of your journey.  Look at the bright side, it's benign, treatable and you will live!!!

I think there is a cutoff of radiation treatment at 3 cm.  Surgery is an option as well.  Check with your doctor for the best decision and ask lots of questions.

We are all here for you.

Best wishes,
Mary

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 11:16:16 am »
I am soooo glad to have people to talk to.  My family tells me to relax, but, the tumor isn't in their head, it is in mine.  I have alot of anger issues, because, I have told my doctor and been treating a problem in my left ear for over a year.  He never did an MRI, I had to go to an ENT, who did a hearing test, ABR and an MRI.  Less than a week later I find out I have a tumor.  I guess anger is OK. I am a singer, so this is very upsetting to me.  I have had a problem with my singing.  Echoing and tinnitus.  I guess I will deal with whatever comes along.  I guess I can still sing with only one good ear.  I have a question, does the tinnitus go away.  It is deafening and extremely annoying.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2007, 11:46:53 am »
Hey John,

Anger issues!  Tisk, tisk, boy didn't we all have that one too--you're not alone.  This tumor is difficult to diagnose based on the patients symptoms (and sometimes gender as with me I got the hypochondriac, older woman, diagnosis from some) and almost all of us went years with visits to different specialists, tests for this and that, I remember being so certain there was something ominous going on with me, but every diagnosis had me second guessing myself.  I can now look back and had I been diagnosed years earlier I would have been told to "wait and watch" as sometimes these tumors just don't grow and you can go years with it (as I did anyway).  So please don't be angry for too much longer as you literally don't have room for it.  I know with me stress of any kind, anger, physical, joyful, sickness, etc. had a detrimental effect on my symptoms.  Stay as stress free as possible. 
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2/08 Labyrinthectomy left ear 
Dr. Patrick Antonelli Shands at University of Florida, Gainesville, FL
12/09 diagnosis of semicircular canal dehiscence right ear

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2007, 12:22:22 pm »
Hello singers,  I still have tinnitus and more of it post-op. I doubt it will go away for you.  We learn to ignore it, say it isn't there.

Pre-op (when the hearing in my AN ear had dropped to 30%) I had problems dealing with other singers in the group who were off pitch, but I could manage. 

Post-op I have no tolerance for off-key or bad pitches. Post-op I have better luck singing alone or accompanied by a well tuned instrument backup.  I harmonize well and always have done this by ear.  I have natural pitch and I read music a bit.  Others tell me my singing is the same.  Since I started using a bone conduction aid I am better able to hear myself singing.

So, I encourage you to keep on singing, learn to ignore tinnitus.  Continue to exericise and enjoy your vocal instrument. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2007, 01:40:26 pm »
Hi:

Sorry you were diagnosed with an acoustic neuroma or, as my neurosurgeon always refers to it, a vestibular schwannoma.  Here, we just call it an 'AN' for short.  However, I'm glad you found this website and these forums.  As previously mentioned, there is a wealth of information available on the web regarding this tumor.  When I was diagnosed (May, 2006) I went to my computer, pulled up Google© and typed in 'acoustic neuroma'.  I was shocked to note that there were over 480,000 sites that had 'acoustic neuroma' as part of their content.  I believe this site - the 'official' ANA site, is among if not the best, in terms of concise, accurate information. The message boards are invaluable.  This is where folks newly diagnosed and 'posties' - people like myself and others who had an acoustic neuroma and underwent surgery and/or radiation to remove and/or destroy the tumor - can ask or try to answer questions.  We collectively try to provide the best answers we can.  Of course we're not doctors and cannot offer specific medical advice, but beyond that inevitable restriction, we can usually be helpful because we've 'been there' and can relate and empathize to and with other AN patients.

I can tell you from reading the posts on this board for the past 10 months that many doctors are not familiar with acoustic neuroma tumors. Unfortunately, AN's are often misdiagnosed or simply ignored while doctors play guessing games and diagnose the AN symptoms as anything from 'a sinus problem' to 'whatever'.  Only an MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) scan can clearly (and unequivocally) show the tumor, which is relatively small but very troublesome because of it's location.  If your AN is actually 3 cm  - you need to have that exact information - it qualifies as mid-range and you may be a candidate for radiation treatment.  Only a qualified physician can determine that. 

The one thing I wish to emphasize is that, for your own peace of mind as well as to give you better odds of a successful outcome to this medical challenge, you must have a surgeon and/or radiologist who is very experienced in AN surgery and/or radiation.  Unlike cancer, heart or back problems, an acoustic neuroma is a relatively rare condition.  That means that many neurosurgeons are not familiar with it and while they may be well-qualified surgeons, they are probably not a good choice if you require microsurgery.  You want to ask any surgeon how many of these operations has he performed and what is his success rate.  'Success' being defined as not only removing the tumor but that the patient did not suffer facial paralysis or other complications, afterward.  Your knowledge based on research is your strength in this situation.

Radiation is a bit different.  There, you want a radiologist experienced in treating AN's as well as a facility with the latest and best equipment.   Again, experience (physician, facility, staff) are crucial.  Don't go with the first doctor or opinion you receive.  It's tedious but  you'll need to schedule at least a few physician consultations and ask many questions.  Do not be intimidated by any doctor.  This is your life, your health, your decision.

While I often describe treating an acoustic neuroma tumor as a 'minefield', usually, the less the severity of your symptoms 'going in', the better the chances of a good outcome.  Usually.  Of course, being in good physical condition is a major factor, too, whether you choose microsurgery or radiation.  I had a large (4.5 cm) AN and underwent both microsurgery (to 'de-bulk' the tumor...hollow it out) and then, FSR (Fractionated Stereotactic Radiosurgery) to kill the remaining tumor DNA.  It wasn't a lot of fun but I'm now just about where I was before my AN made itself known to me via dizziness, imbalance, lethargy, loss of taste and single-sided deafness.  I experienced no surgical complications: no facial paralysis, double vision, swallowing problems or CSF (cerebrospinal fluid) leaks.  My balance is just about normal and my ability to taste has returned.  As my doctor prudently warned me, pre-op, the single-sided deafness remains.  However, my 'good' ear has excellent hearing and I find that while the one-sided deafness is a mild handicap, I can deal with it.  You will, too, I'm certain.  Following my AN surgery, I was home in 4 days.  I was driving again within two weeks.  I was treated as an outpatient when I underwent the radiation treatments a few months later.  They took about 30 minutes a day, five days a week for 5 weeks.  Tedious but painless.  I'm retired but probably could have returned to my old (desk) job within 3 weeks or less.

When you do your AN research, you'll read of the many things that can go wrong during and after surgery and/or radiation treatments.  While complications can and do occur and no doctor can guarantee the outcome of any procedure, if your surgeon/radiologist is experienced with treating AN tumors and you're in good health with a good attitude going in, the odds are that you'll get through this just fine.  During your physician consultations and especially if you need to be hospitalized, you'll want an advocate.  A spouse, family member or friend who will stay with you and make sure you're being treated well and have whatever you need.  It's a tough job and a 'labor of love'.  Other posters will offer even more advice, I'm sure.

Your anger, although quite understandable, is really a waste of your energy at this point.  Venting is healthy and you're quite free to do that here, but ultimately you have to go forward, not backward.  You don't really have the luxury of wasting time being angry over what you cannot change, now.  Focus on researching acoustic neuroma tumors, learn all of your options, talk to as many doctors as you deem necessary and finally, come to a decision on addressing your AN that you're comfortable with. Many AN patients come through this experience quite well.  I was 63 and had both microsurgery and radiation.  I did very well and I hope and will pray that you will, too.  We're here to support and advise as best we can.  We all wish you the best.  Come back often.

Jim



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4.5 cm AN diagnosed 5/06.  Retrosigmoid surgery 6/06.  Follow-up FSR completed 10/06.  Tumor shrinkage & necrosis noted on last MRI.  Life is good. 

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 02:54:28 pm »
Hey Jim,

Thanks,

Just so you know, I am affectionately known as Johnson, even though I am a woman.  HAHAHA.  I am trying to keep my sense of humor.  I guess we all go through the anger.  I am first seeing a neurosurgeon at Thomas Jefferson Hospital.  It is the best neurosurgical facility in Philadelphia.  This doctor performs only brain surgery.   I am sooo glad to have found this website.  My daughter who is 28 found it, she, along with my whole family is upside down over this.  I think they just need to chill.  I am going to be fine, now that I have a wonderful support group to help me.   My daughter's step mom dropped dead at 47 suddenly about seven years ago.  Three months later my exhusband committed suicide at her gravesite.  Seven months later my husband was in a bad construction accident and was buried in a 20 foot ditch.  He has not worked for 7 years, and is just about to go back to work, and now I get sick.  I told him that he is not to cancel his plans,  WE will survice.  I got through that I think I will survive this. 
Thank God for all of you.  You will be my heros.

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2007, 03:04:02 pm »
Hi Johnson!

I was recently diagnosed also.  My appt with the Neurotologist is on April 3.  We are in the same boat as far as the waiting goes.  I am in Wyoming where we have no specialists, so I am going to Denver, CO for my appt.  I have also contacted House Ear Institute for a consult.  I talked to Dr. Fayad on Monday, but he hadn't recieved my MRI disk, so he is to call me back Monday to continue the consult.  He thought that by what I had told him, that I would probably need surgury as I am too young (38) for radiation.  So, I will wait and see what he says and also wait to see the doc in Denver on the 3rd.

Well, I just wanted to let you know I was here and this is a great support group.

Take care!
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2007, 03:08:47 pm »
Hi female Johnson :D

In line with everyone else to send a hello and a hearty welcome.  Thrilled to have you here and tickled your daugther stumbled across us to help you all out.  As you can see, we certainly do our best, give our good ears and shoulders if need be and serve up watered down drinks.  I'm sorry you all have had it rough, but as you can see, we all do certainly thrive here and know you will too. :)

If you need help around the site, please email me or JoeF (your friendly website moderators) or ask anyone around here for guidance.  Some of the info here can be overwhelming to initially absorb, so I usually recommend that you grab a beverage of your likings, sit back, prop your feet and let your fingers do the walking.. or clicking on the mouse, in this case... around.

Again, welcome.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2007, 04:02:40 pm »
Hi Johnson and welcome to our family. We're  here to help calm your fears and give you as much info and support as you need. I am so sorry, you certainly have had more than your share of sadness and pain. I went through something similar with my husband, he went through his own very serious medical issues for almost 2 years (I almost lost him) and just as he was back on the road to recovery, I was diagnosed with an AN. At that time we were in our early 40's.  I know what you mean about anger!

First thing about AN's,  they are treatable and benign, and that was the mantra that got me through my first few days of diagnosis. It also helped ease everyone around me who I noticed suddenly looked at me differently (two heads) and afraid to talk to me. I quickly noticed that I was the one comforting everyone, but that was actually good for me, because the more I said "Don't worry, I am going to be just fine", the more comfortable and accepting I became.

What are you symptoms? My tumor was 3.5 cm and I did end up losing my hearing. Just remember there are hearing aid options now available for SSD (single sided deafness), while they don't restore what you know as normal, stereo hearing, they do make life easier. Less head turning and saying "what?" I ended up with tinnutus and listen to high pitched bell ringers 24/7 and the louder my environment, the louder the tinnitus. I am generally able to override the tinnitus, so while it is annoying at times, it doesn't interfere with daily life. At night it's either my tinnitus or my husband's snoring.....I'll take the tinnitus  :o

 I know this AN journey can get scary, confusing and frustrating, so please feel free to e-mail me.

hang in there!!

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2007, 06:46:28 pm »
Cheryl,

I know what you mean about snoring.  We sleep in seperate rooms so I can sleep.  Thanks for all the support.  I am so fortunate to have found such good friends on this site. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2007, 08:02:24 pm »
Hi Johnson!! 

Keep up with the humor - It will keep you going strong!!

We have all been there and I echo all the above stuff, including not being too mad at your doctor.  There is a doctor on here that had never heard of an AN until he got one (Hi Sam).  I went back to my to my GP for my pre-op and it was so obvious that he felt bad treating me for fluid behind the eardrum.  If it had not been for my orthopedic surgeon insisting that I get to the bottom of my symptoms so he could do my first hip replacement, I would probably still have that sucker in my head.  Thank you Dr. Teynor!!

Anyway, welcome to the forum.  Kathy
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2007, 08:16:59 pm »
Hi Johnsli,  Don't get too upset about not getting diagnosed.  I have come to see this as a terrible norm with acoustics.  I too had symptoms for a long time, was ent to the ER by my doc several times and the ER docs asked em why I was there.  It was very upsetting because I knew how ill I felt.  This went on for four months until I ended up back in the ER with an ocular migraine (no headache) and they showed some concern.  After I got diagnosed by the neurologist I wanted to go back to the ER and tell them how angry I was at their mistreatment and dismissive attitude towards me.  even my own doc dismissed me, making up many different diagnoses without any treatment or testing.  What a nightmare.  Keep your head held high and remain in control.  You are the captain of your ship.  I wish you the best..
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2007, 08:20:04 pm »
Hi John, I’m sorry to hear that you have AN.
I had the same fears you are experiencing. But like you it was until I went to ENT doctor that I found out I had an AN  tumor in the left side, except he called and told me while I was at work   the bad news and I broke down.  
When he sent me to my surgeon did I feel comfortable? My doctor said, he’d done a thousand of them and not to worry. And he was right.

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