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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2007, 12:04:35 pm »
Steve - he's absolutely right on every count.  (Thanks for being the voice of reason. Mark!)

Resist setting yourself up for added stress - it sounds like you don't get to see this friend often, and I know that can put extra pressure on sharing good times while you're in the Bay area.  And he wants to offer you things to anticipate besides your treatment, as any thoughtful friend would.

Listen to Mark.  Keep your downtime options open, pay attention to what your body's telling you, and see if you can acquire a temporary chauffeur for that borrowed car.
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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2007, 01:20:28 pm »
but still have a wee bit of fun in the process... it helps to off-load any emotional stress you may experience.....just listen to your body when it decides to talk... Everyone's body reacts differently, as you know, so go with what your body tells you and yes, please get rest....Phyl
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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2007, 01:39:25 pm »
Aardvark,

Thank you, I don't think anyone's ever said I was right on all counts before  ;D. Although, a friend told me today that when I turn 50 no one can ever tell me I'm wrong. I think that must be the only advantage to this B-Day. At any rate, the forum is on notice that I can't be wrong from now on per the official plus 50 rite of passage  ;D ;)

Mark
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November 2001

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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2007, 01:57:50 pm »
Mark, trust me my dear friend, I got YOU on notice :)  hehehehe! Phyl
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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2007, 12:41:11 am »
Thanks for the advice - I think.  :D

I will ask Dr. Chang about fractionated margaritas, he will no doubt be able to explain the benefits to me.

AA, you are exactly right, my friend will play host as much as I let him. But his house has a great view of the bay, and he does do yoga, so relaxing time is also quite possible.

Actually my concern from posts here is the driving question. I'm not sure I can arrange a chauffeur, although that does sound nice. I will see what they say, maybe I can just stay in Palo Alto somewhere a few nights. At least one morning is going to be an early appointment, too, with no coffee. Oh well, can't have everything.

By the way, Mark, your profile says you are still 49, so technically you could be wrong about being right about everything after 50.  ;D

Steve
8 mm left AN June 2007,  CK at Stanford Sept 2007.
Hearing lasted a while, but left side is deaf now.
Right side is weak too. Life is quiet.

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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2007, 01:22:02 am »
Steve -  There are, of course, many motels in Palo Alto, but Stanford's SLAC House might be worth a look.  I didn't stay there, but maybe others who had treatment at Stanford did.  It seems reasonable that they might have a shuttle service to the medical center.

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/rde/guesthouse/


The college also posts a comprehensive list of area motels and distances from the campus:

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/rde/chs/general/hotel.html


Happy hunting!

aa

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CK at Stanford 9/05   Drs. Chang & Gibbs

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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2007, 04:22:40 am »

I will ask Dr. Chang about fractionated margaritas, he will no doubt be able to explain the benefits to me.

Steve, if Dr. Chang can't explain the benefits of fractionated margaritas to you, it means he's working too hard! :D

Phyl
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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2007, 10:33:33 am »
Steve,

Check my profile again today  ;D. See, it's already begun. I've not been wrong since I became 50  :o

Mark
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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2007, 10:36:39 am »
Steve,

Check my profile again today  ;D. See, it's already begun. I've not been wrong since I became 50  :o

Mark
you're a nut... but I have to luffs your humor :)
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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2007, 10:38:27 pm »
Gerrard,

I'm glad that you've made your decision.  I'm still in the first week of trying to arrange to see Dr. Friedman at the HEI and next would be to see Dr. Chang at Standford.

Could you tell me your reasons why you decided to go with CK?  How old are you and what type of symptoms that you're currently having with the AN?

Mine includes some ear pain, back ear ache, tinnitus, some loss of balance and especially (kind of scare me) is the facial switchings even though mine AN is 6x10mm (not that big).  However, Dr. Chang indicated that the symptoms do not depend on the size of the AN.

Thanks for any information which may help me to understand my situation better and help me make decision too.
1cm AN on the left side.  Surgery was on Oct 2007 at HEI.  Currently having issue with it, may be a CFS leak.  Not feeling too well.

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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2007, 01:35:55 am »
For bpham:

The first week is pretty early. Take a month at least, it is a lot of information to try and digest. In the first week, I was pretty worked up, and it took a little while to let things settle down in my mind so I could see the overall picture reasonably well.

I'm 53. My primary symptoms are hearing loss, tinnitus, and the fullness feeling. I have had various tweaky twitchy things now and then, but only the ones that are there every day really matter. Although the hearing loss did start a year ago, in the last 8 months the symptoms have emerged quite clearly.

I want to have treatment now, rather than later, because I think the symptoms would just get worse if I waited, and treatment is easier when the AN is small. I have chosen radiation over surgery, because I think the chances for preserving my remaining hearing are better, the chance for new side effects is lower, and the thought of someone cutting a hole through my skull gives me the hebbie jebbies.

I have chosen CK over GK, because it has a somewhat higher hearing preservation rate, doesn't require a frame bolted to my head, and perhaps mainly because the level of communication available with the CK doctors is so much better. The doctors answering questions on the cyberknife forum, and Dr. Chang answering personal emails promptly and thoroughly, even on weekends, was a real factor in my mind.

I will hazard some guesses on what you might expect your outcome would be from CK, given that I am not an expert or a doctor, every AN is different, and even the experts can't tell from an MRI just exactly how your AN is interconnected with nearby nerves and arteries, and so can't tell you exactly what will happen in your case. Having said that, I would guess that the facial twitchings would go away after the first six months, when most of the swelling induced by radiation will have gone down. They are probably more from irritation of one sort or another, not direct impact of the AN on the nerve. I would guess the ear aches have the same kind of cause, and would go away in the same way as well. The tinnitus you will very likely get to keep forever as a memento of your AN.

The balance issue is more interesting. The surgical approach is to simply snip the balance nerve, since the tumor is usually growing from it. It takes a little while for your brain to readjust, but this eliminates any bogus information from the AN side, leaving you with one clear signal from the good side, and most people recover from that quite well. For radiation, the outcome is less clear. The nerve may get zapped and die off, with much the same result as surgery. It may also remain and be able to function properly. In some cases, it remains and causes problems. There is a vestibular specialist on the cyberknife forum who can explain it more.

If the balance issue is significant, I would suggest trying to get a referral to a vestibular lab, where they can do a range of tests to evaluate the condition of the nerves and your current balance function. This can be useful in deciding whether hearing can be preserved, and for predicting what the outcome for balance is likely to be. My tests showed some "positional nystagmus", meaning my eyes start darting back and forth when I lie on my right side, but I have not noticed any effect of this. In my case it mainly indicates that the AN is indeed parked on the balance nerve. None of the doctors are anticipating a balance problem for me.

So that is my story, and I'm sticking to it. Maybe some of it will help you with your decision process.

Steve
8 mm left AN June 2007,  CK at Stanford Sept 2007.
Hearing lasted a while, but left side is deaf now.
Right side is weak too. Life is quiet.

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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2007, 08:24:14 pm »
Hey Steve:

Okay, I am definately in the minority on this one. I drove myself back and forth every day to the hospital (I stayed local so I don't think I was a hazard any more than normal :P). Post treatment Day one and two I had a glass of wine and shopped at Stanford Mall like for 3 hours straight.  Bought a new trenchcoat, very classic.  ::) I absolutely loved the little pill Decadon.. my favorite legal recreational drug of ALL TIME. (and unlike everyone else, no problems...)

Last Day after my final treatment with the gang at Stanford, I asked if I could have more happy blue pills and was told a resounding no! (yes, they could tell party girl was bouncing off the walls)...

Drove to San Francisco, picked up my mother to take back to Sacramento for the weekend- the comment to her neighbor in the elevator was " Can you believe she's had radiation?" Neighbor replies: "Well she looks a little flushed, but it (the flush) looks attractive!". (I think it was the steroids)

Saturday: my husband and I had my in laws up for lunch. Both my mom and the in laws couldn't believe how well I was doing.

Took about 5 days for the steroid elation to unwind- but then I was jazzed about not having surgery.

Blue Cross by approving cyberknife treatment- saved about 60K in expense. Total CK treatment about 70Kish- surgery was estimated at 130-140K....

I even got Blue cross to pick up original MRI when I pointed out to them how much money I had saved them- took about three weeks, but they looked at the numbers and agreed- even though my policy does state MRI's only as medically necessary- but then a 2.5 CM tumor growing out of your inner auditory canal should qualify!

Okay, there's my crazy story- hope your treatment goes well- my treatment was Hell'of fun!  Take care, good luck, Annie
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I have a TUMAH (Arnold Schwarzenegger accent) 2.4 x 2.2 x 1.9CM. CK Treatment 2/7-2/9/07, Stanford- Dr. Stephen Chang, Dr. Scott Soltys

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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2007, 10:05:56 pm »
Good luck, Steve!

I appreciate your comments on my post, and I am wishing you well as you tread down a path a few steps ahead of me.  I am starting to seriously consider CK (having just found that my insurance will cover CK with Chang), and am hoping to make a decision soon.

Hope everything goes well for you, and we all look forward to hearing your report after your treatment.  Take care.

- robert

1.0cm AN, diagnosed July 2007.  Treated Cyberknife at Stanford Nov. 14-16 2007, Dr. Chang, Dr. Soltys.  -  42 year old audio engineer, 15 dB PTA loss, 100% SDS, tinnitus at time of diagnosis.  Now we wait and see...

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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2007, 10:13:17 am »
Thanks Robert and Pearchica. Robert, I'm glad you're going to give CK a look. It may or may not be a good fit, but it is right to give it consideration. Pearchica, I have read several of your posts to me without replying, but I do appreciate them. Scarlett at Stanford also said I should be okay to drive, although she qualified it with a "have somebody just in case", just to cover the bases.

I feel a little like the kid whose friends have all jumped off the high dive, and he knows he can do it too. Except now he has to actually climb the ladder and jump off...

I fly to California tomorrow, with the first zap scheduled for Wednesday. This may be my last post before becoming a postie. Here goes!

Steve
8 mm left AN June 2007,  CK at Stanford Sept 2007.
Hearing lasted a while, but left side is deaf now.
Right side is weak too. Life is quiet.

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Re: Cyberknife and Insurance
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2007, 12:02:42 am »
All done.

The steroid pills were okay, they made me a little loopy, but really only a problem if I tried night driving on the streets of SF, which is a challenge for me anyway. I was pretty low key until Saturday night, when I did manage to consume at least three different wines in the course of a long dinner. But lots of water prevented any hangover thank goodness. Sure enough, I also got to do a short hike on Mt. Tam, but no edamame - some raw oat bran, though, which tasted a bit like Cheerios.

The team at Stanford was great, it all went very smoothly, although they did have to restart the machine on the second day, after stopping it because I moved. Rebooting the system, I guess, maybe it runs on Windows. After trying Miles Davis on the first day, I decided the sound of the machine kind of spoiled the music, and let them play their generic classical music the last two days.

I feel worn out by all the travel and appointments and parking and arranging, but otherwise no effects so far, now I just have to wait and see.

Steve
8 mm left AN June 2007,  CK at Stanford Sept 2007.
Hearing lasted a while, but left side is deaf now.
Right side is weak too. Life is quiet.