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New Member w/ AN diagonose 3.5mm NEED Suggestions Please
« on: November 14, 2014, 07:04:22 pm »
Well I didn't sleep all night after the phone call I received. Dr's office said my MRI showed a 3.5mm AM on my right side. Is the 3.5 mm size small-med ?? The waiting is sooooo.. well you know...uggh...before I meet the ENT surgeon the end of this month..  It looks like the University of Minnesota is where I will have some form of treatment/surgery done. The only symptom I have is hearing loss to right ear & that hissing sound..it seems to be getting louder..is there anything I can do to help that... I've read as much as i can find for encouragement & direction..I will be 62 in December..good health otherwise. encouragement and suggestions are welcome. thank you for this board...God Bless...Daniel
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Re: New Member w/ AN diagonose 3.5mm NEED Suggestions Please
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2014, 09:06:11 pm »
Hi Daniel and welcome!

AN's are typically classified as small if less than 1.5cm, medium 1.5 - 2.4cm, or large if more than 2.5cm.  If your AN is 3.5mm it's small and something that you can consider "watch and wait" or "radiation" (Gamma Knife or Cyber Knife) treatment for rather than the more invasive forms of microsurgery if that is your preference.  I will be 60 in December and I opted for Gamma Knife treatment last year for an AN which was 2.4cm in size.  With a small AN you have time to research and choose your treatment path.  It's wise to have more than one consult.  You want to find a specialist with plenty of AN experience.

The hissing sound you are referring to is Tinnitus which I'm sorry to say there's not much you can do to relieve that symptom.  Some people find it comes and goes or just stays without changing or it can become worse over time.  Mine has pretty much stayed constant and is at a level that I can easily ignore.  I can tell you that being in noisy environments or drinking to much caffeine will increase my tinnitus levels, so I monitor both of those triggers.

You will find lots of valuable info on this forum.  Many of us have had treatment and are doing great, many others are struggling with pre and post treatment issues. You will find lots of great support here and understanding.

Take care,
Cathie.
Diagnosed: June 2012, right side AN 1.8cm
June 2013: AN has grown to 2.4 cm.
Gamma Knife: Sept. 11, 2013 Toronto Western Hospital

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Re: New Member w/ AN diagonose 3.5mm NEED Suggestions Please
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2014, 07:49:09 pm »
Peaceful,
A 3mm AN is considered small. I had a 6mm AN removed surgically last January and that was considered small.  However mine had shown growth and the decision was made to remove it.  It is a good idea to get several opinions and take your time doing your research. I also had (have) tinnitus and had lost basically all my hearing in that ear.  I am from northern MN, saw doctors at U of M, Mayo, and sent my scan to HEI in CA. I ultimately chose HEI for a variety of reasons and had a good outcome. I wish you luck and keep us posted. 

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Re: New Member w/ AN diagonose 3.5mm NEED Suggestions Please
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2014, 08:16:33 pm »
At the rate these tumors grow, and your age, it is entirely possible you may decide not to have any treatment.  Beware of Drs. that are looking to treat you right away.  3.5mm is smaller than small.

As for symptoms, the odds are pretty good that surgery won't do anything to improve your symptoms.  AN'a aren't like a torn ligament in your knee where it won't be fixed unless they operate and then when they do operate you will be "fixed".  Tinnitus and hearing loss in that ear are likely going to be with you for the rest of your life regardless of what treatment options you choose.

The first neuro-oto Dr. I was referred to not only wanted to hurry up and operate on my 1cm AN, he couldn't even understand why I would consider waiting and observing it.  The next team I saw, at Duke, thought it was perfectly reasonable to wait and watch things.  A personal friend who is a plastic surgeon and has opened up many peoples' heads told me he would never advise cutting open someone's skull unless they had to.

Just to clarify, yours is 3.5 millimeters and not 3.5 centimeters, correct?
Diagnosed June 2014 1cm AN at 47 years of age.  Had fluctuating symptoms since 2006.    6 mos MRI (Dec 2014) showed no growth, MRI  in July 2015 showed no growth.  MRI Jan 2016 showed no growth.  MRI Aug 2016 showed no growth.  I'm gonna ride the WW train as long as I can.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2014, 11:03:54 am »
Proton therapy could be an option for you. Here is a YouTube video about Proton Therapy which features our doctor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Of8FmaDqT8 
If you click on the Keep Smiling profile I created here, you can see my posts about my husband, who is 58 and has had an outstanding outcome from the Proton Beam treatment he got in July -Aug 2013. (Unfortunately we cannot provide long term outcome details just yet.)
As a newly diagnosed patient I would encourage you to read as much as you can and to keep an open mind. Knowledge is power.  Seek medical consultation about all the different treatments. Realize that you are going to get conflicting opinions from all the doctors. This is what happens. It is a shame, but it is reality.  Reach out to forum members, sending private messages and asking to speak with them. Arrange for telephone conversations when possible with forum members. Keep in mind that staying optimistic is good. There is power in positive thinking. You will forge this path and you will find a solution that is best for you. Whatever treatment you select, the good news is that we are here for you.
12/O6/2O12: 1.5 cm lesion.Proton Therapy-July/Aug, 2013 Massachusetts General Hospital. 2/23/2018 MRI: 1. Small .5 cm x(AP) x .8 cm (TV) x .8 cm (CC )left intracanicular acoustic schwannoma) Completely deaf in one ear. Occasional tinnitus. Zero side effects.

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 11:08:14 am »
I am having trouble posting my entire response.
Here is more of what I tried to post:
If you click on the Keep Smiling profile I created here, you can see my posts about my husband, who is 58 and has had an outstanding outcome from the Proton Beam treatment he got in July -Aug 2013. (Unfortunately we cannot provide long term outcome details just yet.)
As a newly diagnosed patient I would encourage you to read as much as you can and to keep an open mind. Knowledge is power.  Seek medical consultation about all the different treatments. Realize that you are going to get conflicting opinions from all the doctors. This is what happens. It is a shame, but it is reality.  Reach out to forum members, sending private messages and asking to speak with them. Arrange for telephone conversations when possible with forum members. Keep in mind that staying optimistic is good. There is power in positive thinking. You will forge this path and you will find a solution that is best for you. Whatever treatment you select, the good news is that we are here for you.

Now- some words about Proton Therapy: To reiterate the information in the above video, Proton Beam radiation is unique in that the targeted tumor is treated with radiation and the radiation does not "bathe" or expose the normal tissue as the radiation dose exits or leaves the area of the tumor and leaves the body. There is no exit dose. When my husband and I made this decision to go forward with Proton Therapy, we were most worried about radiation techniques that left an “EXIT” dose. Proton Beam Therapy has no exit dose. This was a top concern for us.

Proton Therapy does involve many steps. We liked to say that the steps we took and the expenses we absorbed were important since they helped my husband continue working without any interruption after he had Proton Therapy. It would have been disastrous for us if my husband had lots of side effects and needed to take time off from his job and/or have cognitive issues and a long term disability. We saw the possibility that bad side effects might basically put the "college" years at risk for our family, among other negative outcomes.

There are some people at this forum who worry about Proton Therapy and how it offers range uncertainty. Per our doctor, this concern about how the tissue around the margins of the tumor in the brain could be exposed to radiation is alleviated because with Proton Therapy, a CT scan is performed in exactly the same position as for treatment. Presumably the team of radiation oncologists can avoid the issues of “range uncertainty” that critics of Proton Therapy discuss. It makes sense to ask proton therapy doctors questions about this and achieve answers that alleviate this range uncertainty concern. By asking questions, you might be able to listen to the answers and to discern which doctors have the most experience with Proton Therapy. Asking questions is very important.

Although Proton Therapy caused no exhaustion - NONE- and no cognitive issues- NONE- and only a few headaches within the last year, it was a logistically complex and an expensive endeavor. There were logistical challenges. Months prior to treatment, our insurance initially was denied a few times at a few Proton Therapy centers (see my earlier posts); but after months of effort we found one Proton Center where insurance was accepted and this center had excellent credentials, so we knew we'd be in good hands.   For lodging, we researched many options and got many price quotes. We ultimately went to a website called Vacation Rental by Owner and we found lodging in an apartment across the street from the hospital. My husband wanted to earn full pay during the treatments, so we could afford the lodging and other expenses. We came up with a plan so he could work out of a virtual office. My husband packed a large monitor and a laptop and a magic jack phone so he could set up a virtual office. He participated in teleconferences, some with 200+ participants. We bought food at Whole Foods across the street and we cooked meals almost every day.  We enlisted the help of friends to help with our family and we will never forget their kindness. We walked everywhere (no rental car). The treatment took about an hour and half on  Mon-Fri for 28 sessions. We thankfully faced all of the challenges and we succeeded.

One year after my husband's proton therapy, the MRI revealed a darkened area inside the 1.5 cm tumor. This was good news. We are hopeful now that the tumor might actually shrink. The tumors usually stay the same size but my MRI taken one year after the Proton Therapy showed that the inside of the tumor was darkened, so it may well be possible that it could actually shrink. We won't know more about this until next year when he gets his annual MRI.

So anyway, we send you our best wishes..no matter what you decide. Please try to stay optimistic. Try not to have stress. Read about this. Learn about the treatments that seem best for you. Take good care of yourself.  Please know that you are not alone and that forum members can offer support and help. Best to you!



12/O6/2O12: 1.5 cm lesion.Proton Therapy-July/Aug, 2013 Massachusetts General Hospital. 2/23/2018 MRI: 1. Small .5 cm x(AP) x .8 cm (TV) x .8 cm (CC )left intracanicular acoustic schwannoma) Completely deaf in one ear. Occasional tinnitus. Zero side effects.

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Re: New Member w/ AN diagonose 3.5mm NEED Suggestions Please
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 08:36:02 pm »
God Bless all of you for your response's :)  I will read & re-read these. I'm thinking at this time Gamma Knife? But will know more on Tuesday next week. Thank you all for "Sticking Around", as I can understand after some get treatment, & then leave this site. You really are "Soldiers" helping others-thank you for your help!  & yes it was reported to my via phone MM & NOT cm, as i asked for sure it was MM..Daniel -Peace-Full   

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2014, 08:59:53 pm »
 Hi peacefu!l  I`m a W+W patient diognosed in 2007 @ 58 yrs old. I`m around 1cm which is around 3x as large as 3.5 mm. I been W+W for all these years staying very proactive to much of the posts on the W+W brigade board. I`m doing very well now @ 66 with symptoms which no worse (stable) and even a little better. What I`m trying to say is don`t rush to make any decision. Take your time to come up with a plan.  My plan is stay healthy and doing nothing other...unless warrented (slight hearing loss and tinnitus).  Best wishes! Mickey

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2014, 01:57:46 am »
When you seek second, third, or even fourth opinions, do not expect to find THE answer because physicians often recommend the treatment they are most familiar with and that may not be what is best for the patient. Differences in abilities, medical knowledge, experience, and how often the physician keeps abreast of the latest treatment protocols is the reason for so many different recommendations. Too many patients expect one answer and that is simply not realistic. To avoid bias you should seek out doctors who have experience in both surgery and radiation (Gamma Knife, CyberKnife, etc). Here are a couple of links that helped me decide my treatment choice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbS4K9ENMAg
http://www.myacoustic.org



Diagnosed with 19x16x19mm cystic AN right side on 7/2013
MRI on 3/2014 showed AN increased to 21x20mm
right side 70% hearing loss, tinnitus, balance issues
CK at Stanford completed 3/21/2014 (3 sessions)
Dr Steven Chang and Dr Iris Gibbs

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Re: New Member w/ AN diagonose 3.5mm NEED Suggestions Please
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 02:21:03 pm »
I am glad it is 3.5mm as you stated.  That really gives you a lot of time and options.  Time and options might seem a little frustrating at first because as has been stated , there is no clear ONE answer.  But, it is actually a good thing because it means you have CHOICES. 
Diagnosed June 2014 1cm AN at 47 years of age.  Had fluctuating symptoms since 2006.    6 mos MRI (Dec 2014) showed no growth, MRI  in July 2015 showed no growth.  MRI Jan 2016 showed no growth.  MRI Aug 2016 showed no growth.  I'm gonna ride the WW train as long as I can.

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 06:39:51 am »
Greetings Everyone! Well, I had my first Dr visit at the MN U+M. The size was described from originally"Small" to now "Tiny" which they said was 3.3 mm long x 3 mm wide. He gave me the usual options as; surgery & Gamma knife, but highly suggested to do the W&W watch/wait & come back in 6 mo for an MRI. My challenge was discovered that my right ear has had sound injuries, from my work in the shop, 30 years ago, & I still have chronic sinus congestion, which is plugging up my Eustachian tubes in my ears. This greatly affects  the amount of hearing I have. The visual tests he did for balance/dizziness, shows no evidence of either. He claims these can grow .5 to 1.0 mm per year, or like others here, stay the same. So maybe, time is on my side at this point & I need to work on better hearing, either getting those Eustachian tubes to stay open, or hearing aids. I will keep doing research about this, & checking back here. Thanks to all of you who are the equivalent of; Mother Theressa's of the internet!

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 02:31:45 pm »
Nasonex works great for keeping my nose and E-tubes clear.
Diagnosed June 2014 1cm AN at 47 years of age.  Had fluctuating symptoms since 2006.    6 mos MRI (Dec 2014) showed no growth, MRI  in July 2015 showed no growth.  MRI Jan 2016 showed no growth.  MRI Aug 2016 showed no growth.  I'm gonna ride the WW train as long as I can.

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Re: New Member w/ AN diagonose 3.5mm NEED Suggestions Please
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2014, 02:52:38 pm »
Your AN is tiny... 20 years ago they would not have detected it.
you probably would have taken it to your grave without ever knowing or stressing about it.
Many ANs especially the smaller ones, discovered later in life do not grow or grow very slowly.
For every acoustic neuroma detected there is another that never gets detected.

Depending on the study around 30-70% never progress and a few actually shrink.

i personally would explore the watch and wait option very seriously.
Gamma knife or Cyberknife if it decides to grow significantly.
Surgery if you really want the thing out of your head. Just keep in mind that surgery has some significant risks, and while many work out, quite a few don't too.

I personally would not under go surgery for something that 20 years ago nobody would have found.

Sorry keepsmiling, but proton therapy is not suitable for tiny AN's I am pretty sure they will not treat anything smaller than 10mm or even 15mm.
10x5x5mm AN
Sudden Partial hearing loss 5/28/10
Diagnosed 7/4/10
CK 7/27/10
2/21/11 Swelling 13x6x7mm
10/16/11 Hearing returned, balance improved. Feel totally back to normal most days
3/1/12 Sudden Hearing loss, steroids, hearing back.
9/16/13 Life is just like before my AN. ALL Good!