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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2008, 01:09:16 pm »
Well, I am not alone.  The funny thing is my doctor is the host of the next symposium.  I am going to print out this thread and bring it to my next appt.  So much good advice and suggestions.  I've learned more from this thread than from  doctor.
Kate, I saw Dr. Bijari.  Did not like her.  She doesn't have a nurse for one so I can't talk to anyone regarding questions.  I have to come into see her.  I didn't like her actually.  But thanks anyway.

Fibroids, I am going in for an ultrasound as soon as I can.  So thank you for that.  I am pissed b/c NOBODY even checked anemia since 2006 and I have been complaining of chronic fatigue for at least that amount of time. 

I will bring my MRI in and ask him the questions noted above.

THank you all!
Mary
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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2008, 01:22:14 pm »
Hey Mary,

going to share this with you as well.

There is a brochure that I shared here a while back re: "Brain Tumors and Fatigue".   This is here, in a .pdf file (you need Adobe Acrobat or Reader to open the link).

http://anausa.org/forum/index.php?topic=3462.0

It has been found that regardless if a brain tumor is benign or malignant, fatigue tends to go hand in hand with it.  The brochure was co-authorized by Dr. Peter Black (Brigham/Woman's in Boston) and Nancy Conn-Levin (I heard she did a recent ANA support group meeting on the East coast... NJ or such). 

the brochure talks about how brain tumors and fatigue go hand in hand and ways to combat it.

As a sufferer of FMS (Fibromyalgia syndrome) or of CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), it can be truly dibilitating when coupled with a brain tumor.  I have FMS and there are days that the fatigue is so bad, I am absolutely floored... can't move, only can close my eyes and want to sleep for days.

Hoping this brochure helps.
Phyl
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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2008, 10:41:52 pm »
Thank you for the brochure.
Another document to bring with me to my next appt.
Fatigue was totally dismissed as being a symptom of my AN being removed.
Good pointers regarding ways to take care of ourself.
(As I sit here typing at 12am when I really should be asleep)
:)
Mary
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by Dr. Wiet and Kazan at Hinsdale Hospital in Illinois.
Translab approach

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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2008, 05:44:07 am »
glad to help Mary... and hoping you got a good night's sleep.

Phyl
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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 08:20:06 am »
BAck to original question...

My surgeon acted like the tumor was out and my worries were over...he iso longer my
doctor

Pre-surgery I had some dizzyness a few mild headaches and some hearing loss... things are definately
worse now and got little help from the doctors I trusted to be there... my PCP is great but limited in
what he can do other than finding doctors for me to check out ... and keeping me in hydrocodone to
knock out bad one when thsy happen...luckily only using around 30 in a 6 to 8 week period now instead
of 30 every two weeks ...but I still eat alot of Tylonal to take the edge off...

Normal things like bending over to pick something up ,sneezing ,coughing ,laughing (big belly laughs) can
all bring on a bad headache that puts me in the recliner or sometimes to bed... in between I feel OK... my
new OK that is a level of discomfort I can still function and don't look too different from anyone else...
there have been times at school when someone tells me they can see a headache coming by the way I
am holding myself or a look in my eyes ... close friends notice but for the rest of the world I have been
labeled by some as a complainer or slacker...

Thanks for the link to brochure ...saved it and also printed out a copy to mark up with my handy dandy highlighter
to hand to people who don't want to listen to my spoken word...
3mm AN discovered Aug 2004
Translab July 2 ,2007
3.2cm x 2.75cm x 3.3cm @ time of surgery

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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2008, 12:58:11 pm »
Yes, Soundy, I think that once surgeons take out a tumor, they feel they are done with you.  Probably not all of them, but I'm sure most of them feel that way.  They've done their job, and that's all they were trained for.  Sadly, I guess you have to start over and find the specialist that works with whatever problems you are left with - balance, pain, etc.   You might look into alternative medicines - acupuncture maybe.  I don't know if anyone has tried that on this forum, but it might work. 

Frustrating, and it's too bad the surgeons can't refer you to specialists that handle these problems.  How hard could that be? 

Best wishes to you,

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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2008, 07:45:22 pm »
Hi Mary,

My surgery is not until the end of the month but I too suffer from very bad headaches. The doctors are hopeful by removal of my AN that the headaches will be reduced. I however, am fearful that they will increase. Let me know what happens.

Roger

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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2008, 03:37:29 pm »
I had surgery at House and live on the east coast and did not have a hometown neurologist lined up to look after me when I got home because I didn't think I'd need one!  It was just as frustrating for me as it was for Dr Friedman for us to be 4000 miles apart and for me to be too sick and financially unable to travel. Dr F was as supportive as he could be but his response was always, he'd be glad to see me if I could fly out there.  Six months post op I was worse off than I was 6 days post op. I had to wait almost 2 months to get an appointment with my local small town neurologist and all my local GP, another unknown doc, (my regular GP had taken leave, ) did nothing but give me bumped up Tylenol. 

I suppose I could have called Dr Rick and demanded he call this neurologist and get my appt moved up but I was pretty much out of my mind at the time! Hard to be your own advocate when you are out of your mind.  Your loved ones are pretty much no help, they are so freaked out, too. Dr love just drove me to the ER and hoped I wouldn't stroke out and die in the car most of the time. It was a total nightmare. We felt totally alone and unhelped with no one to call and count on.  Still do most of the time. And will continue to untill someone can explain to us why I have these brainwreck headaches and is there anything that can be done about them that is a permanent fix so I can get off all these meds!!!!!!!

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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2008, 05:14:07 pm »
I too suffer from post surgery headaches.  The fellow who performed my 1st surgery couldn't understand why I had headaches.  I couldn't even get him to prescribe anything or return my frantic phone calls.  Joining this forum put me in touch with a wonderful doctor and my family doctor is much more supportive. 

I also had the pleasure of developing a scar neuroma and had surgery in July to remove it.  Unfortunately I've been off on disability sine mid April because of brutal headaches and facial pain.  At this present time I'm on neurontin, effexor, ativan and toradol.  I've tried weaning myself of neurontin and it was disastrous.   My family doctor didn't really want to fill out my insurance forums and thought I would never qualify.  He misdiagnosed again ;)

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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2008, 05:11:23 am »
I just don't understand why the team of surgeons who removed the AN can't explain what's going on with me.  I am going there on Tues and hope to get some answers.  I am really angry at this point in time and want some answers.  I had a large AN removed (4cm) but want more info than "it was sticky  and the facial nerve was very involved with the tumor.

Am I being too reliant on the team who removed it to give me answers?
Mary
Mary,
How did Tuesday's appt go with Chicago Ear?

I think headaches baffle the AN doctors in general.   That doesn't make it any easier and headache pain wreaks havoc.

IMHO, the surgeon feels their job is to remove the tumor.  After that, the responsibility transfers. At House, after surgery, while in California, patients keep in contact with Dr. Stefan who takes care of you post surgery.

What have some of the neurologist's told you thus far? 

Kate
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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2008, 03:13:39 pm »
Kate,
Very timely that you emailed today.  I don't check this site very often.
I missed my appt with Dr. Wiet b/c I had the flu.  Fever and all.  Bummed to have missed it.

Can someone please tell me what this scar tissue neuroma is?  How does it differ from a recurring AN?
I've had 4 MRI's and all were clean.  The ENT did refer me back to Wiet to review my MRI just to make sure that the pain isn't being caused by scar tissue.  I CANNOT IMAGINE HAVING ANOTHER SURGERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The report post MRI all indicated no regrowth but I am wondering what the scar tissue is all about.
I think I made myself clear.  I even chickened out of Breast enhancement surgery one week before the procedures.
I figured I didn't want  to put anything foreign in my body.

Regarding headaches, I've been using my bite guard for clenching religiously for the past 5 days and no headaches.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes, I knew this would help but it wasn't until I got desperate enough that I decided to use it.  I felt like I was clenching all night long when I awoke.
I am also getting fit for an NTI appliance which is also great for migraine sufferers.

So, I need to get back into see Dr. Wiet.  Will let you know what I find out.
I cannot say enough good things about this man.  I think what everyone else wrote is true, this is their specialty and the follow up is up to someone else.

Mary
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by Dr. Wiet and Kazan at Hinsdale Hospital in Illinois.
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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2008, 10:25:28 pm »
Mary-
Its interesting Mary, I'd 1st mentioned "scar neuroma" now about 18 monhts ago or more on this forum and it seems this got going others to check in with their own doctors about this notion. My pain management doctor at Stanford figured this is one of the things that caused some of my pain issues. From what I understand and frankly others may by now have received other feedback from their doctors, but from what I understand, a SN is superficial scar tissue from the scar on the outside of your head from the craniotomy procedure in our case. The nerves have grown back funny and are maybe jumbled together and for me can even can be sensitive to touch creating zinger type pain if I touch or press the area. His "test" was to inject a local anesthetic to see if it helped even a short period of time. If so, they can try  botox therapy for longer lasting effect. for me, he thought, this scar neuroma sometimes "fired" and would not stop leading to stimulating the "trigeminel complex" which lead to horrible migraine type pain. This was this particular doctors theory about my pain problems. Now I'm aware its a bit more complex. At any rate,  a scar neuroma is not much like an acoustic neuroma.
Tricia   
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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2008, 11:25:08 pm »
This is a good question to add to the list when one is doing their research once the decision has been made concerning ANY follow-up's that my arise. 

I think that is right. When I was asked why I went to Stanford for CK, instead of the newly opened place across the river in Washington, my answer was that while the CK itself would probably be the same, I felt better being able to call Stanford afterwards, if anything weird developed. The follow up care is there if it is related to the treatment, such as a reaction to radiation, or the possibility of regrowth. It is the the assortment of odd symptoms that sometimes develop that don't seem to get enough attention. But it is a good idea to consider whether you will be comfortable calling the place back after you get your treatment.

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Hearing lasted a while, but left side is deaf now.
Right side is weak too. Life is quiet.

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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2008, 02:34:13 pm »
I think making sure you surgeon is accessable is the first thing that should be done. In this you've all hit the nail on the head. Its important to establish before hand as much as possible what sort of communication line in regards to simple after care questions, but most especially in the event of complications. You want the whole package, a surgeon whom is competant but also one that listens. Perhaps do a little experimenting prior to surgery and note any red flags that tell you your doctor is or is not listening to you.  Some complications (like mine) were insiduous but still life threatening and serious. There is a level of "denial" that goes on with all human beings involved. Some surgeons egos will not allow them to comprehend just how much trouble you are in.  I thought I might help here and list some ideas I'd recommend based on my own experience w/serious complications post op and my operated facility not being local. (400 miles away)  Frankly "it takes a village" more then most here I think are realizing or able to comprehend without having an experience to draw from. In otherwords, its hard to anticipate the holes in your own system. "System" being how you handle yourself, your support from family and friends, doctors attitudes, busyness level of doctor, willingness of doctor to listen and be accessible, your willingness to communicate concerns, local doctors involvement in your care, on and on.  So hopefully some of my ideas here will help you shore up any holes. As I think of more ideas I'll come back here and add to it!

1. Have a local physician, either neurologist or primary care that will readily examine you and directly report concerns to your surgeons.
2. Have your op reports and follow up notes sent to your local physicians. If I have to, I'll have the reports sent to me and forward the reports to my local doctors. In fact, I keep my own chart. Anyway, keep you local docs in the loop. A break down in communications can contribute to problems. 
3. After I see my surgeon for follow up I either fax or email my primary care or local neurologist to let him/her know what transpired.
4. Also I send my local doctors and long distance surgeons my own "update reports" either via fax or email when I sense something is off. I like to do all this faxing and emailing because it allows the doctors to read my notes when they are not in the middle of their frantic days and the message does not go thru their staff whom can often misinterpret my news --plus it forms a paper trail.
5. Make sure your own primary care physician (PCP) is not burnt out prior to your surgery. Make sure he/she is on the same page and will be there for you if some sort of emergency arises.
6. Find out how he/she (PCP) manages his/her patients if you do become admitted to your local hospital. Often (this happened to me) if you are admitted to a local hospital for a complication from surgery you'll be managed at the hospital by a hospitalist whom is a physician whom manages the hospital patients. Very often your own physicians will not have any involvement in your care while you are hospitalized unless he/she choses to confer with your hospitalist. These hospitalists can be wonderful but the problem arises because of further breakdowns in communications. Namely you can become twice removed from your surgeons care. Usually though they did call my surgeon or infectious disease doctor directly. But weird things and circumstances can alter this communication too. This happened to me when I headed to the ER on Xmas eve w/a rare reaction to the IV antibiotics I was on for the epidural abscess. The reaction mimiced a gallbladder attack, there was a huge disconnect between the various physicians whom were manageing me due to the holidays and I ended up unnecessarily having my gallbladder out on Christmas day. It was one of the most demoralizing experiences of my life. This is why I now have a primary care physician whom I can call via cellphone anytime I need to. Thru my medical crisis i came to realize just how disconnected my primary care physican then CHOSE to be! She was terrific one on one  during office visits for regular issues but because my circumstances where "too esoteric" as she put it, she copped out. I'd done all the things above to make sure she was part of the loop and make it as easy as possible for her. One day when I was visiting and relaying a message to her from my neurosurgeon she blurted "I'm too busy, I don't have time to listen to you." She was not interested in understanding my care needs and there was only so far my surgeon could go. She was busy with diabetics, cardiovascular diseases, cancer, etc. I was a cast off. 
7. If you are looking to get a better PCP perhpas visit your local ER at a time of day when they aren't so busy and ask the staff about primary care doctors whom they might recommend and see if they do come visit their patients while in the hospital. Also see if they have a neuroscience ward. Just a few days after returning home from my second craniotomy I was admitted in one local hospital and they seemed clueless about my care needs.   
8. Have a friend or family member be your advocate. When it comes to anything surrounding our brains its sometimes hard to convince  physicians of your concerns that things are not right. I'm a real cowgirl when it comes to pain. And I've never had any complaint that was not proven to be something. Your family or friends know you and can communicate this often better then you.   

Like I said I'll add more hne I think of things...
Tricia

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Re: How supportive was your AN surgeon post surgery with headaches?
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2008, 10:50:00 pm »
Hi Mary:

Sorry for seeing your message just now - I don't log in that often. I am 7 years post op AN surgery (suboccipital) and still am dealing with headaches, although not nearly as extreme as even four years ago. I never had headaches until three weeks post op and they were so bad I just wanted to die. My surgeon was clueless about how to handle the headaches - gave me pain killers and told me that, if they persisted, he would send me to a pain clinic. The one person who gave me quite a bit of relief was a physiotherapist who specialized in headaches.  I also saw an upper cervical chiropractor and, even though I thought it gave me relief, I now do not think that it made as huge a difference as my physio treatments.

My energy level is not near where it was prior to AN surgery but I have learned to cope with that issue. Prior to that, I was always out and about especially volunteering/visiting the elderly, etc. but I have learned to say "no" - that was a hard lesson to learn for me. I hope all goes well for you.

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